$10 NLHE 6-max: TPWK, all draws miss, hero call?

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$10 NL HE 6-max: TPWK, all draws miss, hero call?

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 24/22/4

Villain is a reg who is not very good and suffers from FPS. The K on the river isn't a great card, but every draw in the world misses. 89 is about the only hand I can put him on here that has me beat. I certainly don't think he plays like A9 this way, though I guess it is possible. Hero call time?

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party poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

CO: $7.20 (72 bb)
BTN: $19.20 (192 bb)
Hero (SB): $14.15 (141.5 bb)
BB: $11.95 (119.5 bb)
MP: $3.80 (38 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with 9
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3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60) 9
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4
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8
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(2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, BB raises to $1.20, Hero calls $0.80

Turn: ($3) 4
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Hero checks, BB bets $1.80, Hero calls $1.80

River: ($6.60) K
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(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $4, Hero ??
 
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24/22 isn't calling open much pf. He's either 3 betting or folding. His range is heavily weighted towards small prs and suited connectors here. There are a number of combinations that have your 1 pr beaten.

I would fold.
 
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Just IMO - I like the hero call. I do see some players with FPS and a 4 AF 3 barreling draws occasionally at 10NL and 25NL - they're fun when you find them.

Not going to be surprised at all if he shows up with a better hand than ours, this is not the low variance way to go - and, FWIW, I think if he actually has a hand there's a really good chance it's KQ, KJ, or KT rather than two pair or 4x - but I think these guys are high value if you have a good read.

What do you think, too spewy?
 
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I dont think may opponents 3 barrel at 10NL

He has something.

I think if you call the flop, then you have to bet first on the turn.. say 1/2 pot $1.50.

If he rereises then you fold.

Alternatively bet a smaller amout on the flop say 20c. If he comes over the top then its a smaller amount for you to deal with.. it allows you the room to check raise etc.

See my post here

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/exploiting-your-opponents-errors-150165/

Its advocating not charging a draw so much on the flop to reduce the final pot size and also because the error that the villian makes by calling on the flop is relatively small... yet the error on the turn is much larger.
 
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Ordinarily I'd say it's a fold. But blind-v-blind, and given the way we've played the hand... villain is probably putting us on the missed draw and figuring there's no way we can call a bet.

I dunno. I won't like calling here, but I won't hate it based on our read either.
 
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Personally I just fold it. However always go with your gut instinct. If you think you have showdown value based on a read, then call. Be sure to take notes after the showdown. After all you payed for the information
 
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If I get to the river, I snap call this with a quickness. Your fold/call decision should not be on the river. If you get to the river against an aggressive opponent with top pair on a drawy flop, and all the draws miss, you call without obvious reads.

I have two issues:

1) Are you sure he can't raise A9 this way? His raise is on the small side, and I'd be willing to stack TPTK blind vs. blind, especially against a passive opponent. K9, A9 would certainly be in my range.

2) The commit decision is on the flop IMO. If you call, you're calling because you think draws/air makes up a large portion of his range, and that you can call him down on turns/rivers when those draws miss. You don't invest the extra $2.60, and then bail on your plan for the hand when you get to the river.

Blind vs. blind, with an aggressive opponent, I certainly think calling down is a decentish option here. I just wish the opponent was a little more on the bad side. Call downs like this against a 60/30/5 player are hugely profitable. Calling down a 22/18 type is going to be less so, because they're not super retarded.
 
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