$10 NLHE 6-max: TPTK wettish board facing aggresion

Full Tilt - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (SB): $10.85
BB: $10.00
UTG: $9.32
CO: $13.77
BTN: $10.00

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has Q:heart: A:club:

UTG calls $0.10, CO raises to $0.45, BTN calls $0.45, Hero calls $0.40, BB calls $0.35, fold

Flop: ($1.90, 4 players) Q:spade: 7:spade: J:heart:
Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets $1.30, fold, Hero calls $1.30, fold

Turn: ($4.50, 2 players) 6:club:
Hero checks, CO bets $3.30, Hero ???

Ok so over 81 hands villain is a 21/17/35afq. His flop cbet is 50% (3/6).

Should I have just raise/folded the flop? The only thing he can call with worse would be KQ. With that in mind and with his AFq being kind of low I decided to just continue on the turn and see what happened. Do i fold turn as played or call again praying he has KQ or QT?

I think I would have lead out most times on the flop. As played "Big pot are for Big Hands", Would have called the flop probably and folded the turn. Not sure if that is the best way to handle it but hard to play for all your chips with this hand. Also hard to just fold the flop.

Good chance of an overpair or semibluffing a draw.

I like 3-betting pre here.

me too

villains fold to 3bet is 100%

I guess I should probably ask why 3 bet

bgomez89 said:

villains fold to 3bet is 100%

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Steal % and sample size on the 3-bet fold percentage? (#/# plz)

I'm going to get flamed for this but I really don't want to play a 4-way pot from the SB with AQo. There's 11.5 BBs in the pot and CO will have to fold a huge % of his holdings and we're in great shape against BTN's flatting range and we should be in decent shape equity wise vs. the portion of CO's continuing range that he does not 4-bet.

c9h13no3 said:

Steal % and sample size on the 3-bet fold percentage? (#/# plz)

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steal % is 27 (7/26) fold to 3bet is 100% 4/4

Blargh. I still 3-bet, but I'm not as in love with it as I was when I thought villain was just a standard TAG. AQ doesn't play all that bad in 3-bet pots, and we're squeezing off the button's money and the better player the button is, the more likely I am to squeeze. If BB and BTN were droolers, that could push me to call.

As played, you can fold the turn if you like, but villain can have some draws in his range that's he's firing second barrels with. But when he c-bets into 4 players & then bets the turn (and his c-bet percentage is pretty low anyways), he's usually got hands in his "nut range".

If any one of those 3 villains was a fish calling is right to keep him/them in.

I like the call, now donk bet something like 1/2 pot or 2/3 to get value from his draws that probably check behind otherwise. And fold to a raise of course.

Would it be crazy of me to suggest raising CO flop bet to $3.00 or $3.50 and with that turn card it's shoving time? Although, with his flop bet size I'm guessing he's going to fold.

TorreyB said:

I'm guessing

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I agree.

As played, I think the turn is a fold

WVHillbilly said:

I agree.

As played, I think the turn is a fold

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Not hip to my methods of the win by choosing what you quoted? As played you might as well fold on the turn since you're really in the dark on where you stand and the pot is growing nicely for possible river shoves.

TorreyB said:

Not hip to my methods of the win by choosing what you quoted? As played you might as well fold on the turn since you're really in the dark on where you stand and the pot is growing nicely for possible river shoves.

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Do you think raising the flop functions as a value bet or a bluff?

WVHillbilly said:

Do you think raising the flop functions as a value bet or a bluff?

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It's serving multiple purposes.

1) Take down the hand here.
2) A semi bluff, hero called from the SB in a multi-way pot. CO may believe it's a big draw or pocket pair that hit set on the flop.

We can be sure that a player that tight wouldn't be trying to isolate an UTG limper with a QJ or a 77 by raising 0.45 preflop. It's either AJ+ or JJ+. You can do the math on the combos, but I think it's worth it in this spot.

TorreyB said:

2) A semi bluff, hero called from the SB in a multi-way pot. CO may believe it's a big draw or pocket pair that hit set on the flop.

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Say what?

c9h13no3 said:

Say what?

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What kind of hands get called by the 3rd+ person in a multiway pot?

Answer) Connectors, pocket pairs, and other suited hands if you get enough people in the hand.

You can use your current top pair as a semi bluff if you know the villian will fold or has a weaker holding so you get more money in the pot.

TorreyB said:

You can use your current top pair as a semi bluff if you know the villian will fold or has a weaker holding so you get more money in the pot.

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Uh... why would we want to get hands weaker than top pair to fold? You know we have TPTK right?

c9h13no3 said:

Uh... why would we want to get hands weaker than top pair to fold? You know we have TPTK right?

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On this board texture you have more negative potential than positive should you let it continue on much further past the flop. On top of that you have the CO that tried to isolate preflop that may have you beat. Do you really think playing this hand passively in the dark only to lose money makes sense? If so, why enter the hand to begin with?

Or fold or a 3-bet to know where you stand... not just keep calling. I think

This really feels like a standard calldown. If he shovels the river I guess I can see folding but he has to have some worse value hands here.

I 3bet preflop. As played, I call turn and cry if he fires the river.

There are alot of draws on this turn so I'd be happy that I have seriously under repped my hand and raise the turn. I expect to be called by a large portion of his range, as his turn bet would commit him to a river push so I don't want to give him a free card by calling.

KardKlub said:

There are alot of draws on this turn so I'd be happy that I have seriously under repped my hand and raise the turn. I expect to be called by a large portion of his range, as his turn bet would commit him to a river push so I don't want to give him a free card by calling.

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I think the real question is what portion of his range that we beat bets the turn??