$10 NLHE 6-max: TPGK on scary board.

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Villain is a 29/13/53 over 165 hands. I have no notes but hes marked as a fish.

I think I have no idea what Im doin with this hand for some reason.
1)C bet or no? I have overs and a gutter on a monotone board.
2)I dont know if its a good idea to bet the turn but I figured he'd bet any FD and any pair on the flop so.... do I bet it?

Merge - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $10.04
SB: $11.10
BB: $10.76
Hero (UTG): $29.59
MP: $9.41
CO: $8.54

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has Q:spade: K:spade:

Hero raises to $0.35, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.35, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.85, 2 players) 9:diamond: 3:diamond: J:diamond:
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.85, 2 players) Q:diamond:
Hero ???
 
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What worse hands call and what better hands fold?
 
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Problem: If we have a big flush why didn't we bet the flop as PFR?
 
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solution: fish don't think and will either be scared you have a flush or a bigger flush. Theyll raise if they got you
 
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Is it more profitable to let them have a bluffing range and call a smallish bet or to vtown ourselves when they have it?
 
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how are we value towning ourselves, we're bluffing turn hoping to take it down there, if we dont just shut down
 
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I think we have the best hand way too often to turn it into a bluff.
 
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I think we have the best hand way too often to turn it into a bluff.

We do have the best hand here a lot. The problem is we are not likely to get any more value out of villain when we do.

If we check and he checks behind he will likely fold to any river bet or check behind if we check the river.

If we check/call we will likely face a river bet. The pot will be getting larger than what we really want to be making with a pair on the wettest of wet boards...

If we bet here he will likely fold all hands with no diamond or straight (a very large part of his range), thus picking up the dead money in the pot.As said earlier, if we get called we can shut down completely.

As for bet sizing I think we can go with half pot, we don't need to risk too much to get the same amount of folds. I think .45 or .50 is ok.
 
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Qd is the turn card? Also, betting for value without a flush vs a 4 flush board is a not possible, it is a bluff
 
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Qd is the turn card? Also, betting for value without a flush vs a 4 flush board is a not possible, it is a bluff

everything i wrote was directed at the flop, thank you for the correction.
 
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So only skaplun thinks a cbet is in order?

When I play lately I basically say to myself the reason Im betting and its usually very clear. This time I couldnt tell if I was betting for value, as a bluff or just to pick up dead money.

Anyways, I decided on betting and they call. Interesting river.

Turn: ($0.85, 2 players) Q:diamond:
Hero bets $0.56, BTN calls $0.56

River: ($1.97, 2 players) Q:heart:
 
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flop value, turn is a bad bluff, c\f river
 
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yeah like i said just shutdown now. Btw when betting OOP on a fourcard flush board try to pot it
 
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yeah like i said just shutdown now. Btw when betting OOP on a fourcard flush board try to pot it

Clarkmeister theorem. Ya, I need to implement that more often. Can it apply to turns as well?
 
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It applies to the turn in this hand. Turns and Rivers as they are the only times you can get four to a flush...
 
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It applies to the turn in this hand. Turns and Rivers as they are the only times you can get four to a flush...

OMG waaaaaaat?:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:


The article only mentions rivers so I didnt know if that was a stipulation for using the theorem.
 
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I know. This could be the new 'No Brainer Theorem'!!

Turns and Rivers are the only times you can get four to a flush...

To answer your question, yes it does apply to turns as well.
 
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Whatever you do your opponent in button has advantage over you. In my opinion check/fold in turn or a small bet to try get some reads
 
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