$10 NLHE 6-max: Top Pair Facing River Raise - Tight Fold?

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 40/8/1

I think he show's up with a 2 a lot here.
Obviously getting a great price to call but I just cannot see him raising here with anything I beat.

Re looking at the hand today I think my flop and turn bets are too small.

Thoughts please?

888 Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 2)
Hero (SB): 129.2 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 114.7 BB (VPIP: 40.27, PFR: 8.05, 3Bet Preflop: 3.33, Hands: 154)
CO: 122.1 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q:spade: A:diamond:

UTG calls 1 BB, CO calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, UTG calls 4 BB, CO calls 4 BB

Flop: (16 BB, 3 players) 4:diamond: A:club: 2:heart:
Hero bets 8 BB, UTG calls 8 BB, fold

Turn: (32 BB, 2 players) 2:spade:
Hero bets 16 BB, UTG calls 16 BB

River: (64 BB, 2 players) T:heart:
Hero bets 43 BB, UTG raises to 85.7 BB, fold,

Raise preflop to 6 BBs. Fish are fish at all the lvls.
You've made the flop and turn bets small and river big. You need to size flop an turn so the river could be a shove in this kind of spots.

Just check behind on the river.

tomnovember said:

Just check behind on the river.

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He does not have position on him postflop.

Make pre, flop and turn bets much larger.

Your river sizing and fold is good.

Good fold on the river.

I just have a question on your turn move. If he calls your half pot bet on flop, surely he will call your half pot bet on turn.

swingro said:

He does not have position on him postflop.

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Sry, so just check call. That's enough.

no one thinks this fish can have a worse A, IDK man fish love to think any TP w/ an ace is nuts... im fine with your play, but fold is ok too...

weldphaser said:

no one thinks this fish can have a worse A, IDK man fish love to think any TP w/ an ace is nuts... im fine with your play, but fold is ok too...

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A worse ace just calls the river, as do many fish with marginal holdings. River raises by fish are pretty much always stronger holdings. Prob AT here.

akaRobbo said:

A worse ace just calls the river, as do many fish with marginal holdings. River raises by fish are pretty much always stronger holdings. Prob AT here.

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Exactly. Slowplayed something or hit 2 pairs on the way.

flop/turn are wayyyyy too small like absurdly small you need to correct that you are hemorrhaging money by not getting more value out of fish small. River bet is fine and fold when he raises.

kape said:

U have to chek on river

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No. Not at all.

hackmeplz said:

flop/turn are wayyyyy too small like absurdly small you need to correct that you are hemorrhaging money by not getting more value out of fish small. River bet is fine and fold when he raises.

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Yeah this is what I was going to say too. You also need to make sure you recognize those situations against fish when they'll have second best hands a lot, or nothing at all and get max value. The flop and turn is way too small. River bet / fold is good.

John A said:

Yeah this is what I was going to say too. You also need to make sure you recognize those situations against fish when they'll have second best hands a lot, or nothing at all and get max value. The flop and turn is way too small. River bet / fold is good.

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This is all true but it should be noted that the larger you size on the first two post flop streets the harder it gets to bet/fold otr (villain's shove is already less than a minimum raise as it is).

Getting stacked the few times we're beat is the price we pay for stacking him when he has Ax that we beat. It's well worth it.

Yup. Just making clear that by using better sizing on the flop and turn (I definitely agree there's a lot more value to be had) you're no longer in much of a position to bet/fold. You either need to size you river bet a lot smaller relative to the pot or just go all in with the rest of it... the latter being a much better option.

DunningKruger said:

Yup. Just making clear that by using better sizing on the flop and turn (I definitely agree there's a lot more value to be had) you're no longer in much of a position to bet/fold. You either need to size you river bet a lot smaller relative to the pot or just go all in with the rest of it... the latter being a much better option.

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You're against a fish, so you want to get max value against someone who will not fold weak made hands. Against a better opponent, your sizing should change as suggested. But the whole point we're making is that your sizing needs to increase against THIS type of opponent.

John A said:

You're against a fish, so you want to get max value against someone who will not fold weak made hands. Against a better opponent, your sizing should change as suggested. But the whole point we're making is that your sizing needs to increase against THIS type of opponent.

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Yes I know lol. That's why the post of mine you're quoting says there's a lot more value to be had on the flop and turn. Your first post was somewhat ambiguous on whether you were advocating bet/fold otr after making much larger bets or strictly in the instance of OP's chosen sizing. That's the only reason I bothered to say anything.