$10 NLHE 6-max: Thoughts on setmining here?

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pokerstars Hand #83371674501: Hold'em No Limit (€0.05/€0.10 EUR) - 2012/07/15 16:10:28 ET
Table 'Kopff V' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Martin Hris (€4.85 in chips)
Seat 2: jchoop (€13.34 in chips)
Seat 3: Defuso (€10.40 in chips)
Seat 4: luckyroxy21 (€10.22 in chips)
Seat 5: CanaDocinha (€10.95 in chips)
Seat 6: novalinho (€11.02 in chips)
Defuso: posts small blind €0.05
luckyroxy21: posts big blind €0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jchoop [9c 9d]
CanaDocinha: folds
novalinho: raises €0.25 to €0.35
Martin Hris: folds
jchoop: calls €0.35
Defuso: folds
luckyroxy21: raises €0.95 to €1.30
novalinho: raises €1.50 to €2.80
jchoop: folds
luckyroxy21: folds
Uncalled bet (€1.50) returned to novalinho
novalinho collected €3 from pot


Opponent who 4b tanked for ages before 4bing. While he was thinking i was trying to decide whether this was a spot i should setmine or just fold it- so for arguments sake pretend like the 4b never happened and it was folded to me

Vil is super tight, so thats a plus. Im also on the button and close the action.
However ESS is only $10.22.

Thoughts?
 
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It's not profitable to setmine in 3bet pots without much deeper stacks
 
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Eh stack sizes aren't right imo.

Mathematically its +EV if when you hit you stack him off most of the time you hit...doubt that's the case.

(Ie, let's give villain kk. Any ace kills any profit, any k is a cooler obv. If he has qq or jj there are more overcards to account for. )
 
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Eh stack sizes aren't right imo.

Mathematically its +EV if when you hit you stack him off most of the time you hit...doubt that's the case.

(Ie, let's give villain kk. Any ace kills any profit, any k is a cooler obv. If he has qq or jj there are more overcards to account for. )

was thinking cos hes a nit and hes squeezing OOP here its usually AA, KK, so my thought process was, i AM stacking him here most of the time when i hit, and ~1/7.5 to hit vs a bet 1/10 of ESS. When you put it down to 'A kills profit and K lets him bend me over' youre totally right. thanks
 
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fold, not close. you don't even close the action.
 
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You need deeper stacks to setmine here. 250BB.
 
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The guideline most often put forward is to look for situations where you can win at least 20x the cost to call. In this hand, even the two opponents together have far less than that much behind.
 
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The guideline most often put forward is to look for situations where you can win at least 20x the cost to call. In this hand, even the two opponents together have far less than that much behind.
I agree completely and I also think it's interesting how the accepted number has gone up in just a few years.

When I 1st started playing online 12x was the number. Then most agreed that you needed 15x, and now it's 20x that's usually cited. Shows how much more difficult the games have become imo. People can't just can't be depended upon to stack TP+ anymore. Probably won't be too long before it's generally accepted to fold small pairs to avoid set over set situations.
 
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I agree completely and I also think it's interesting how the accepted number has gone up in just a few years.

When I 1st started playing online 12x was the number. Then most agreed that you needed 15x, and now it's 20x that's usually cited. Shows how much more difficult the games have become imo. People can't just can't be depended upon to stack TP+ anymore. Probably won't be too long before it's generally accepted to fold small pairs to avoid set over set situations.

i think id agree w this at higher stakes, where i know people actually know what a squeeze is and will 3b hands like TT for value, but at 10nl shits like QQ+ the occasional AK dep on position. and while the mostly but not always stack TP, there are so many bads and regs alike that will stack overpairs. id say x15 would be fine for sure, esp if theyre value only 3bers or one and done kinda guys/give up easily post- but thats just my 2cents without any kind of statistical backup
 
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