$10 NLHE 6-max: straight flush draw vs regular

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$10 NL HE 6-max: straight flush draw vs regular

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 17/12/3

full tilt poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 654564
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SB: $14.26
BB: $10.23
UTG: $27.81
MP: $4.00
Hero (CO): $10.05
BTN: $6.68

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with J
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UTG raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.30, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 2
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9
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UTG bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.50, UTG calls $1

Turn: ($3.75) 2
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UTG checks, Hero ???

Villain is 17/12/3 after 190 hands. He is 4-tabling the rush tables so I assume he's decent at least
Should I have raised bigger on the flop?
I wasn't sure if I should have bet the turn again or take the free card. Villain could have overpair or overcards. Does a TAGish regular at this stakes calls a raise oop with just overs?
 
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Why raise the flop? We're not deep or anything. You have position, implied odds, but little fold equity. Seems like a good spot to call to me.

As played, I check the turn.
 
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well with the situation you put yourself in raising on the flop I believe the correct move here would be to bet this turn as well. You can't be worried if oh my god what if he has a good hand, and re-raises me, and I don't get to see my beloved 31% chance to make a stronger hand river! It is also possible he may have a weak draw, or not a hand he sees worthy to fight you in this situation.
 
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well with the situation you put yourself in raising on the flop I believe the correct move here would be to bet this turn as well. You can't be worried if oh my god what if he has a good hand, and re-raises me, and I don't get to see my beloved 31% chance to make a stronger hand river! It is also possible he may have a weak draw, or not a hand he sees worthy to fight you in this situation.

yes you have to bet the turn here. It feels like he's got a hand like ak aq trying to get lucky or 77 88. Betting the turn will certain narrow his range and don't forget you still have a monster draw. So semi bluffing is by far the best play
 
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I'm a huge proponent of betting draws on the turn. This, however, is not the time for it. Whatever called you on the flop is very unlikely to fold on the turn (also, that deuce not only made a set less likely for you, but it also counterfeited a part of your range, and he'll know that). If he folds more than 20% of his range when you bet the turn, I'd be very surprised. That would basically be hands like KcJx and KcQx that you can push out, the rest are probably not going anywhere. While it's obviously good for you to fold those out, you won't be able to profitably bluff versus those hands with any bet big enough to fold them out.

Whether to raise or call the flop... If I'm up against a reg who hates folding to flop raises, I'm inclined to raise here. That is, I'm raising because the extra value of getting it in versus a bluff or getting called by A9 makes it better than just flatting. But I need that to be true in order to justify raising. If all I'm doing by raising is forcing him to have a big hand, then I'm better off just calling the flop and re-evaluating on the turn. It's pretty common that I'll end up shoving the turn unimproved, depending on stack sizes and his double barrelling tendencies.

But that's for specific opponents. Default, I just call the flop.
 
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2h has to be like the worst card in the deck, check it back now.
 
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Thanks guys! After reading the comments I can see why calling on the flop is better. If we have called on the flop, what would you do on the 2h turn if:

a) Villain bets 2/3 pot?
b) Villain checks?
 
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a) Villain bets 2/3 pot?
b) Villain checks?
a) It depends a lot on who villain is and they're barreling frequencies. Readless, I'd guess your standard TAG at 10NL isn't double barreling this card very much, so he's likely to have a real hand. I'd just flat.

b) Bet 2/3rds pot as a semi-bluff. We'd have way more fold equity now that our opponent didn't call a raise out of position.
 
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a) So he bets $1.25 into a $1.75 pot on the turn, you mean? Most likely call. If he's bluffing a second barrel, a small bet on the river when he checks to you (three barrel bluffs are rare) will be a better way to bluff than raising the turn, unless he's really looking for an excuse to fold QQ on a board like this, which I don't think he is. He's obviously on the lookout for the flushdraw, but you have other outs to the nuts as well, so you'll most probably be able to extract the required value out of your hand when you hit, on average.

b) I bet 100% of the time. If it looks like he's giving up, he probably is. Bet to fold out 55 and AJ and whatnot. Lots of hands beat you but are very uninterested in continuing; take advantage of that.

What to do if he check/raises the turn? pot odds would dictate that for me. If he check/shoves, I fold. But I think he check/raises the turn so rarely that it's still much, much better to bet when checked to and risk forfeiting equity than it is to check back.
 
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