This is a discussion on $10 NLHE 6-max: Straight facing a min donk/3bet shove on the riv ? within the online poker forums, in the Cash Game Hand Analysis section; Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 27/20/9
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Classic nut straight against any flush draw, always a hard one. The raise on the flop insinuates flush draw, wants to keep the bet small so if the flush does come you get a few extra chips already but if it doesn't you don't lose everything with large bets. I would have raised him here with a cbet since he likely doesn't have a top pair but since your were the re-raiser preflop you could. Once you got the straight I like the raise but I think a larger bet makes more sense because remember if you're assuming a flush you want him to either fold because it's too expensive to see the next card or pay way more then he should to see the next one and hopefully he misses. But on the river he hits the presumed flush. The weird thing is he opens with a min bet, I guess to get you to not fold, but they he follows it up with the shove kinda like a variation of check-raise. Against it though I say fold, Axs is definitely in his range and if my read it right it looks like he's playing a flush draw to made flush. Hope that helps and I'd really like to hear what happened if you don't mind!
15th October 2017, 9:53 AM
Poker at: Pokerstars
Game: 6max zoom
First instinct is that he has flush, what other hand re-raises that big of river bet. But villainís stats seem a bit funny for that kind of min donk play. Is he bad enough to get it in with weaker straight?
Obviously he has something, big hand on the river. So 6 helped him. Only straights 6 helps are 7x, there are quite many more flushes.
I could see myself playing around like that every 1 million hands with ThQh =)
15th October 2017, 10:03 AM
lol this is funny.
Something I'd do here is think how I'd play considering that the donk min bet as a check. Both on flop & turn.
How would I play flop if the V checked? check back or bet the draw?
Same on turn.
But on river it gets serious.
Applying the same theory as before, what hands would check raise (& risk the entire stack) here if we value bet the river? Without a decent sample & some player readings I'd fold.
15th October 2017, 10:34 AM
Poker at: Ignition
I disagree with thatguy about the turn bet. There is only about a 19% chance of a heart coming on the river, so you are technically charging him enough for the draw.
Villain seems to enjoy being eccentric, and probably gets more joy from confusing his opponents than from profits. It's a tough decision. Villain gives you the worst possible pot odds on the river, but his massive overbet makes me want to call. If he wants value for his hand, why bet so big? Maybe that's fish thinking though.
I'd call. Would not be surprised to see villain holding a flush, top pair, or 72o.
15th October 2017, 4:02 PM
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re: Poker & $10 NLHE 6-max: Straight facing a min donk/3bet shove on the riv ?
personally, once colour hit the board, I would have just called his .10 bet and not raise. then you wouldn't have had to even worry about whether he hit the flop. always dangerous to re-raise in this position without the nuts.
15th October 2017, 7:47 PM
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Well first of all thatguy i usually do cbet over a min donk when i have something strong, or something very weak. In this case i tried to realize my equity first.
2. braveslice i asked myself the same question.
Could he ever get it in with a weaker straight ? But with a lack of info i usually fold, like i did in this spot.
3.alucard i always forget to treat it as a check even though i should.
4.Alex i think thatguy knows that we are not giving him the price to call with a FD, he just thinks(and i think its correct in this scenario) that with fish involved you could go bigger because they dont fold. That said i dont think he thinks in a way "if i go big it might look like a bluff". But i agree that this should be a call with more info cause basically we are at the top of our range but still at the bottom end.
5.froggeedogs well if you dont get that thin value here when his range is so wide given his actions with him being a fish where are you going to get it ?