$10 NLHE 6-max: standard, fishy villain..turn boat, what now?

Villain is 29/24
cbet flop= 81%,
agg= 2%

Re-pop on flop bc obv c-betting his whole range here, thinking I can folds from lots of his range...anything other than trips/K's

Turn- Trying to extract values from Kx, which seems to be only hand that calls 3b on flop

Merge hh wont convert..mods can I have some help?


MERGE_GAME #3737169501195: Texas Hold'em NL $0.05/$0.10 07/11/2011 23:51:15
Table Lima (37371695)
Seat 1: CouldbeDOODOO ($20.92 in chips)
Seat 2: KDurant35 ($19.19 in chips)
Seat 3: R3G7Nice ($20.06 in chips) DEALER
Seat 5: RollnNicklz ($12.29 in chips)
Seat 6: chewy004 ($10.30 in chips)
RollnNicklz: Post SB $0.05
chewy004: Post BB $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RollnNicklz [6s 6h]
CouldbeDOODOO: Raise $0.30
KDurant35: Fold
R3G7Nice: Fold
RollnNicklz: Call $0.25
chewy004: Fold
*** FLOP *** [5h Kd 5c]
RollnNicklz: Check
CouldbeDOODOO: Bet $0.50
RollnNicklz: Raise $1.77
CouldbeDOODOO: Call $1.27
*** TURN *** [6c]
RollnNicklz: Check
CouldbeDOODOO: Bet $2.32
RollnNicklz: Call $2.32
*** RIVER *** [Td]
RollnNicklz: Allin $7.90
CouldbeDOODOO: Call $7.90
*** SUMMARY ***

I can't even try to convert it without the entire hh. Did you try http://www.handconverter.com/ ?

WVHillbilly said:

I can't even try to convert it without the entire hh. Did you try http://www.handconverter.com/ ?

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ya right forgot i took out results..

Ya, its out my ptr3 so it doesnt work...dont know where to get hh from at merge network

oh well

let the discussion begin:argh:

I think the raise is ok, but I'd rather do it IP. He's not folding many Kx hands, and with him being in position, you might not get him off TT, JJ, QQ, AA. What was the plan if turn was blank?

I suppose you can sometimes get 77-QQ to fold the flop, so the raise is okay. Not like, super good, but its not a bad board to bluff on. I'd prefer 6:club:7:club: rather than 66, but meht, that's probably splitting hairs.

I think your turn and river line are ridiculous. Very few sane villains are going to bet that turn after you check/raise the flop unless they have a big hand.

I thought shoving river looked super fishy, I thought all Kx hands would be calling shove?

okay C9, if this is you? how do you play hand?

appreciate the help

xdeuceswild81xx said:

okay C9, if this is you? how do you play hand?

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Prolly just fold the flop, since villain has lots of kings in his range. But if you check/raise the flop, you've turned your range into bluffs & big hands (AK/5x/mebbe AA, ect.). So when you check the turn to your opponent, what should he be thinking? He's going to get to showdown with the bulk of his range, just because there's not a ton of value in betting.

So yeah, if you're going to play it this way, I'd bet the turn/shove river.

c9h13no3 said:

Prolly just fold the flop, since villain has lots of kings in his range. But if you check/raise the flop, you've turned your range into bluffs & big hands (AK/5x/mebbe AA, ect.). So when you check the turn to your opponent, what should he be thinking? He's going to get to showdown with the bulk of his range, just because there's not a ton of value in betting.

So yeah, if you're going to play it this way, I'd bet the turn/shove river.

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got ya, thanks for the info

forgot no results, he flipped 54s...i win, but I was thinking on turn, if hes calling my raise on flop w/big hand, 6 on turn is a blank as far as villain can see, hoping he's willing to commit more of his stack w/AK, KQ, KJ, 5x, AA etc.

but I guess on the other hand if the 6 is a blank, why not bet? it does nothing to scare off villain from calling

Can't believe no one said this:

3-bet or fold pre.

Barring that, I like your flop-raise a lot. When you get called, you're surely behind so FFS, continuing betting when you bink your miracle.

baudib1 said:

Can't believe no one said this:

3-bet or fold pre.

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wat?

maybe he thinks that this type of villain won't pay us off if we call and hit a set.

bgomez89 said:

maybe he thinks that this type of villain won't pay us off if we call and hit a set.

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he cbets high, pretty much any flop...I think that right there says he's willing to commit to tptk hands.

When I say this I mean if you c-bet that many boards, then you obviously have to continue with your top-pair hands, pair+fd, big draws, etc. to offset when your c-bets get called while you have air

xdeuceswild81xx said:

he cbets high, pretty much any flop...I think that right there says he's willing to commit to tptk hands.

When I say this I mean if you c-bet that many boards, then you obviously have to continue with your top-pair hands, pair+fd, big draws, etc. to offset when your c-bets get called while you have air

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Would recommend you stop giving your opponents this much credit.

WVHillbilly said:

Would recommend you stop giving your opponents this much credit.

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If your c-betting 80% of the time, don't you think that a random fish would continue with A10 on A62r board?

I'm giving villains little credit, bc I'm saying there just not going to find a fold button throughout the hand

That's fine but they are not thinking well I cbet a lot so I must do this or that. Total thought process is I have a pair, I'm not folding.

WVHillbilly said:

That's fine but they are not thinking well I cbet a lot so I must do this or that. Total thought process is I have a pair, I'm not folding.

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ya, thats what I was trying to say, in a more complex way

flatting small PPs in SB vs. villains with wide ranges is not really going to be profitable.

-- we get squeezed a lot when a loose player opens and we flat.
-- we will face overcards most of the time and cbets a lot.
-- he doesn't have a strong enough range the times we do flop a set.

baudib1 said:

flatting small PPs in SB vs. villains with wide ranges is not really going to be profitable.

-- we get squeezed a lot when a loose player opens and we flat.
-- we will face overcards most of the time and cbets a lot.
-- he doesn't have a strong enough range the times we do flop a set.

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I agree with this, but there's two points:

1) I didn't look at the reads in the OP, I just saw "fishy villain", so typically that means a strong range. Obvo, looking at his stats, he's a 29/24, so he'll prolly still be raising wide.

2) His raise came from UTG, which typically is not super happy wide range territory.

3) You also assume that villain won't continue with the bulk of his range. But often time maniacs (not really this guy, but some others) will continue a lot wider than just strong top pair + hands. So we're getting better implied odds than we think.

But yeah, originally I thought we were up against a 40/5 UTG raiser or something like that when I saw the thread title "fishy villain".

actually i didn't realize he was UTG so meh