$10 NLHE 6-max: Standard 3barrel spot on the river w trips?

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Q: I should 3barrel?

No hands from villain.
If I bet: Q is blocked heavily ~8 combos, he has all sets 6, at least 10 combos flus, and some pairs that most likely are folding when A came.
If I don’t bet he probably bets Q for value, and some random stuff too and I need to fold :O That can’t be right, but then again I can’t really do bet/fold because stack sizes are so thin (If I bet 3 I have 2.37 behind), but then again he probably don't raise anything worse. Had I betted flop bigger the same problem would have persisted.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 107.5 BB
Hero (SB): 101.7 BB
BB: 108.3 BB (VPIP: 22.58, PFR: 19.35, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
UTG: 178.3 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
MP: 108.1 BB (VPIP: 29.55, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 44)
CO: 131.7 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K Q

fold, fold, CO calls 1 BB, BTN calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 5.5 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 4.5 BB

Flop: (13 BB, 2 players) 5 Q 8
Hero bets 7 BB, BTN calls 7 BB

Turn: (27 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero bets 15.5 BB, BTN calls 15.5 BB

River: (58 BB, 2 players) A

Hero ?
 
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Flush got there and we could easily be up against AQ.

Id prolly check call river ... probably take a read on his size

If we bet he may call works queens though but expect a raise when we are beat.

If i bet again would be around half size
 
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I would rule AQ 95% away from his range that should be auto raise vs limper in position.

Hmm but if we are calling, wouldn't it be better to bet fold? I'm quite sure that is the case, but not sure, at least with the stack sizes.
 
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Well hes unknown so yeh prolly bet folding.

If you know hes aggro or able to pull out bluffs check call
 
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I like check fold. He's either got you beat or he'll have a hand with enough showdown value to just check back.
 
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Bet more on the flop/turn... bet/fold 25 on the river. You're looking for calls from a stubborn 8x and Qx. If he's limping behind here, they will be in his range.
 
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I would rule AQ 95% away from his range that should be auto raise vs limper in position.

Hmm but if we are calling, wouldn't it be better to bet fold? I'm quite sure that is the case, but not sure, at least with the stack sizes.


If your good enough to rule out aq then we are def even more betting here :)

Mid pp can still call here as well... he will raise if he has flush but yeh thats all or full house

But if he had fullhouse he wouldve raised turn cuz of the texture and bad rivers... so we could cancel that out
 
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Nice post, this is the problem with playing out of position. :/

I'd check-call most of the time here without more stats. Just don't think giving up the hand here is a good default strategy.

Personally, I look for players who get scared off easily when draws come.
 
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Thx for very good input! -> so, imo of course this is what I got:

The key for this hand I think is @Rake: “this is the problem with playing out of position.” There is no fun way to play this hand.

All given options here, check/fold, check/call and bet/fold, are all somewhat right, we should have more info to select correct one, now we have a mostly caller given he called limp and then again raise, but we also know that general tendencies of the 6max zoom are too aggressive play when shown weakness, but also that flush is a sacred cow.

So I would pick bet/folding line, because there are 8x hands and some stubborn stuff there too (like said) and player has shown that he might be the caller type. Also for practice it never can be wrong to select standard lines in preparation to tougher matchups.

Check/fold and check/call lines are quite equal imo, between these I would decide from the bet size. Too large and I would (well should) fold. These lines however might leave some small amount of bb value not get , especially because we don’t know who we are dealing with.

Well I did check, villain bets ~15bb, I call, he has QJo
 
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Such a block bet...

Hmmmm if we can hand read well.

Do you think a minraise or a shove could work guys??.... im just being greedy
 
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I was thinking the same, but when villain bets that small we know he has a made hand, Q+, so we should be happy to see cheap showdown. It's true he might also end up having A2 here lol, but we can't just give him random ranges without special information. Min raise sounds better.

That bet sizing wasn't for blocking, that size is also aimed as a value against my high pairs and he was last to act.
 
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I was thinking the same, but when villain bets that small we know he has a made hand, Q+, so we should be happy to see cheap showdown. It's true he might also end up having A2 here lol, but we can't just give him random ranges without special information. Min raise sounds better.

That bet sizing wasn't for blocking, that size is also aimed as a value against my high pairs and he was last to act.



Hmm I guess it wasn't a block bet sorry. Thin value... So we know he has a hand but it aint a monster. It's all depending what range he puts us on.

I can't see villain doing 15BB if he had a full house... he would be betting more trying to get calls off a Qx. Just something to think about



Min raising against villain could create another issue.. If he shoves on us, are we good enough to call.
These little spots help the winrate but also can hurt to :)
 
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