$10 NLHE 6-max: Slow played KK faces SQ

Q1: Trying to get it in correct?

Q2: Is deep stack slow play worse than with 100bb stacks?

I'm quite sure that hero’s 4bet was correct. He might get stacks in quite liberally AQ+, TT+ Then again, pot is large after hero just calls (=3.4) , and villain is destined to try to win the pot so value from bluffs is lost.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 221.3 BB
SB: 100.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 1)
BB: 97.5 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 14)
UTG: 153.2 BB (VPIP: 17.90, PFR: 14.81, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 173)
MP: 112 BB (VPIP: 29.09, PFR: 21.82, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 58)
CO: 202.7 BB (VPIP: 20.93, PFR: 13.95, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 45)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♦ K♠

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, SB raises to 16.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 31.9 BB

Preflop:

Why flat OTB to a loose range CO in likely opening? You are risking starting a call train and the blinds can come in as well. Honestly, I just 3b CO open here. So if either blinds cold call, we will get to see what the deep CO will do. As it is, SB 3b, and everyone folds. He has 100 BB. Yeah as played I 4b here as well.


I would have just 3b to begin with. We don't really want to let the blinds in cheap, give them a good price. 3b.

Beanfacekilla said:

Yeah as played I 4b here as well.
I would have just 3b to begin with. We don't really want to let the blinds in cheap, give them a good price. 3b.

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And 4bet sizing is ok in your opinion?

It seems to be the new wave ideology among micro teachers that there is no standard 3bet in this situation if villain type is fold to 3bet ~80% and his opening range is already tight.

If we go by pure math theories you only value 3bet the hands you are ready to go AI, his AI range is AA and we have 18% equity. Now I know that pure math approach is not optimal to maximize winnings (because villain is so far from optimal preflop play), but losing play that ain't. Also against large stack, I'm happy to win small with one pair (<This is related to question Q2, I honestly don't know if this is valid way of thinking.) I don't mind blinds getting in cheap really, I win more against them than what they manage to win given range advantage and position advantage.

Your thoughts?

braveslice said:

And 4bet sizing is ok in your opinion?

It seems to be the new wave ideology among micro teachers that there is no standard 3bet in this situation if villain type is fold to 3bet ~80% and his opening range is already tight.

If we go by pure math theories you only value 3bet the hands you are ready to go AI, his AI range is AA and we have 18% equity. Now I know that pure math approach is not optimal to maximize winnings (because villain is so far from optimal preflop play), but losing play that ain't. Also against large stack, I'm happy to win small with one pair (<This is related to question Q2, I honestly don't know if this is valid way of thinking.) I don't mind blinds getting in cheap really, I win more against them than what they manage to win given range advantage and position advantage.

Your thoughts?

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Stats or not, fold to 3b high, I can understand that. However, I would suspect that players at these stakes make alot of errors, including calling 3b pre. So if you 3b to say 8bb, he's not hauling it all in for 200 BB. Worst case he 4b you, and you flat IP, with plenty of good IO. Proceed postflop with caution if he 4b obv.


We are 3b here for value, plain and simple. I'm just not letting the blinds in.

Now, as played, if we really want to range f*** the SB, we could flat here and our hand is super duper disguised.... mooo-aaaa-ha ha. But that may very well be FPS. We can just 4b GII too.


As for 4b sizing here, I think I raise a little larger or just shove, as played.

Edit: yeah I had to come back here, and edit it. I dunno about shoving. 4b a touch larger. Shove allows him to get away from light 3b and play better.

But still, I just auto 3b this pre in this spot to CO open, and I 3b to 8 or 9BB.