$10 NLHE 6-max: Should I shove after minbet on the river?

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PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4


BB: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 20.59, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 34)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 18.00, PFR: 10.67, 3Bet Preflop: 1.79, Hands: 152)
MP: 129.5 BB (VPIP: 24.32, PFR: 24.32, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 38)
CO: 211.6 BB (VPIP: 21.37, PFR: 17.05, 3Bet Preflop: 6.62, Hands: 794)
BTN: 51.8 BB (VPIP: 68.42, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 39)
Hero (SB): 100.5 BB


Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB


Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 8


fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB


Flop: (9 BB, 2 players) 2 K 7
Hero checks, BTN bets 8 BB, Hero calls 8 BB


Turn: (25 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, BTN bets 12 BB, Hero calls 12 BB


River: (49 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, BTN bets 15 BB, fold,
 
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I think you priced him in preflop, and gave him initiative after the flop by checking. It looks like he is betting for value, unless you think he would be 3 barrel bluffing here. Maybe the low bet on the river is weakness, but maybe it's a thin value bet. It's hard to play OOP, so maybe raise bigger preflop and hope to TID there, and then CBET the flop.. or call preflop to set mine and just fold flop when you don't hit. You might want to get some other's opinions besides just mine, but that's my 2cents.
 
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PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4


BB: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 20.59, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 18.00, PFR: 10.67, 3Bet Preflop: 1.79, Hands: 152)
MP: 129.5 BB (VPIP: 24.32, PFR: 24.32, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 38)
CO: 211.6 BB (VPIP: 21.37, PFR: 17.05, 3Bet Preflop: 6.62, Hands: 794)
BTN: 51.8 BB (VPIP: 68.42, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 39)
Hero (SB): 100.5 BB


Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB


Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 8


fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB


Flop: (9 BB, 2 players) 2 K 7
Hero checks, BTN bets 8 BB, Hero calls 8 BB


Turn: (25 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, BTN bets 12 BB, Hero calls 12 BB


River: (49 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, BTN bets 15 BB, fold,

Honestly, it's probably a turn fold against most villains, but this guy seems a bit weird with his preflop ranges. The limp call leaves him pretty wide and should narrow down his value range (No KQ, QQ+). Therefore this seems a strange three barrel. Maybe when you checked the flop he decided you don't have a K and was determined to get you off it??? Personally I don't think you should raise this river. Your hand doesn't block his value e.g Ad and if you think he's bluffing just call. He's not gunna bet fold a K unless you size really big, and I don't think it's worth it when you do. I prefer a call if you think he's bluffing, but just fold.


Also, just a side tip, although I know it's hard online with limited time, make a plan on the flop and stick to it. E.g I'm going to call down on all non diamond turns and rivers, or i'm going to raise the turn if he checks and fold if he bets. Here, other than the diamond, the river didn't change much. So I don't understand the fold, if you were happy to call the turn.
 
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That's not a minbet and by my calculations the opponent has put in 39 of their 51.8BB already.
 
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Why not cbet this board? This loose guy is likely going to float you way wide, so it's not like worse won't call.
 
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I think you priced him in preflop, and gave him initiative after the flop by checking. It looks like he is betting for value, unless you think he would be 3 barrel bluffing here. Maybe the low bet on the river is weakness, but maybe it's a thin value bet. It's hard to play OOP, so maybe raise bigger preflop and hope to TID there, and then CBET the flop.. or call preflop to set mine and just fold flop when you don't hit. You might want to get some other's opinions besides just mine, but that's my 2cents.

Completely agree, probably couldn't say it much better myself. Throw in a few check-raises on the flop as well, just in case villain has some weak K he could fold or has missed the flop.
If I was on the BU would play this same way, like exactly the same way with any 2 cards. The way you played it, it should have been a fold on the turn, but definitely a fold on the river, despite the fact that villain could have completely missed the board.
 
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