$10 NLHE 6-max: Should I check turn/fold to shove?

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Both villains are fish with 45 Vpip each.
Should I check the turn fold to a shove or do what I did here and hope that they don't have a 7 in their hands.

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Hero (SB): $10.05
BB: $7.89
UTG: $9.88
CO: $10.40
BTN: $10.29

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with K :heart: K :club:
UTG raises to $0.30, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.20, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.90, BTN calls $0.90

Flop: ($3.70) 7 :heart: 9 :heart: T :club: (3 players)
Hero bets $3.50, UTG calls $3.50, BTN calls $3.50

Turn: ($14.20) 7 :club: (3 players)
Hero bets $5.35 all in, UTG calls $5.18 all in, BTN calls $5.35

River: ($30.08) T :diamond: (3 players - 2 are all in)
 
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kinda sucks that the flop hit their flatting range pretty hard, but nonetheless we bet/bet, and are 'happy' getting it in consid our low spr/draw heavy board.
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Nothing else you could have done. If they're calling a bit three bet with 7x in their range, widen your value three bet range.
 
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considering they are fish,i would have whent all in,but the turn and the flop are horribles cards, they could of called with a 7a,10a and thught they where ahead at the flop,its just one of those hands that will make jj,qq,kk,aa look like a 72
 
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considering they are fish,i would have whent all in,but the turn and the flop are horribles cards, they could of called with a 7a,10a and thught they where ahead at the flop,its just one of those hands that will make jj,qq,kk,aa look like a 72

you would of went all in on the flop? if so, then dont do this.

btw, the turn is a blank, especially consid its a 3 bet pot, only hand that improves there is 78
 
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Nothing else you could have done. If they're calling a bit three bet with 7x in their range, widen your value three bet range.

Ye thanks I should definately open 3 bet range more against these guys if they are calling with 7's in hands.
 
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you would of went all in on the flop? if so, then dont do this.

btw, the turn is a blank, especially consid its a 3 bet pot, only hand that improves there is 78

Lol your analysis is bang on, one guy has A/J of clubbs (don't know why the fool called the flop) and the other guy had 7/8o.
 
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Standard, where as 78 has caught up there is still AT/KT/QT/JT/T9/T8s/89/A9/88/xhxh/JJ/QJ and as it appears even some xcxc that all snap us off. This is a fistpump shove, consider yourself coolered.
 
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I'm conflicted over the preflop 3bet sizing. With our value hands like these QQ+; AQs+; and given the 2 loose villains, in the past i will make a normal sized 3bet like x3 or x4.

I like OP's 4x here because of the villain types, and that it is now 3 way.

But I am curious to get some more thoughts from everyone about preflop sizing OOP w/ value hands.
 
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you would of went all in on the flop? if so, then dont do this.

btw, the turn is a blank, especially consid its a 3 bet pot, only hand that improves there is 78

so i should let them catch up?,as stated above one had aj and folds the other hand a crappy 78,i believe its better to scare off chasers than to get rivered, but those are just my $.02 btw way messiah i know its probably not a move that you would do,but thats why im here to learn more,and get my game rolling
 
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so i should let them catch up?,as stated above one had aj and folds the other hand a crappy 78,i believe its better to scare off chasers than to get rivered, but those are just my $.02 btw way messiah i know its probably not a move that you would do,but thats why im here to learn more,and get my game rolling

By shoving the flop you fold out a lot of hands that would otherwise float the flop.

Bet flop, shove turn is the way to go.
 
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ill put that more into practice,im just paranoid of getting rivered with high pairs,
hopefully it will maximize the hand profit and not get killed by a lucky sob with 78o lol
 
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ill put that more into practice,im just paranoid of getting rivered with high pairs,
hopefully it will maximize the hand profit and not get killed by a lucky sob with 78o lol

These things happen but its that kind of player we make the most from.
 
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These things happen but its that kind of player we make the most from.


So true, we want ppl to flat our 3bets with hands like 87o = print $'s;

@blackstack: ye we get coolered from time to time, but should we deviate from most optimal action (or play) because we are afraid of the fish catchin' the river? ofc not!
 
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thanks for the advice guys,old habits are hard to break but i will definately use the tips you guys gave.
 
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