$10 NLHE 6-max: Set w/ donk bet on river

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Is this a call on river? I put him on missed draws, so if I raise, he should fold unless I'm beat? Any value to raise?

Full Tilt - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players

Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $12.59
Hero (CO): $10.25
BTN: $12.24
SB: $10.00
BB: $3.50

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 5 5

fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, SB calls $0.25, fold

Flop: ($0.70, 2 players) 5 2 T
SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, SB calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.70, 2 players) 3
SB checks, Hero bets $1.10, SB calls $1.10

River: ($3.90, 2 players) 9
SB bets $2.00, Hero ??
 
c9h13no3

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Jam.

Bet more like $1.50 on the turn. You want to get the river pot size as close to a shovable amount as you can.

Ideal betsizing = $0.4 pre, $0.7 flop, $2 turn, Shove $6.9 into $6.3.
 
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Is this a call on river? I put him on missed draws, so if I raise, he should fold unless I'm beat? Any value to raise?

Full Tilt - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $12.59
Hero (CO): $10.25
BTN: $12.24
SB: $10.00
BB: $3.50

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 5 5

fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, SB calls $0.25, fold

Flop: ($0.70, 2 players) 5 2 T
SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, SB calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.70, 2 players) 3
SB checks, Hero bets $1.10, SB calls $1.10

River: ($3.90, 2 players) 9
SB bets $2.00, Hero ??

What missed draws do you put him on - specifically hearts??
 
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Yes, I said draws, but I meant just the flush draw.
 
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I would have bet more pre-flop like C9 but probably wouldn't have had the foretought to size my bets to get a pot sized shove on the river.

Actually I would have perhaps considered checking that river because I was afraid of the flush. This is most probably wrong though!
 
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Bet more on turn, river shove.
 
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Any VP on the villian? Next time, more pot-sized bets. I'd call for curiousity. No value in raising.
 
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At the time, I only had about 10 hands on villain. Was about 20/0. I did shove river, which I thought was the right move. I put him on T9. He turned over AQd. He floated air on flop, then called with the FD, then hit on river. 1.10 into 1.70 isn't correct odds to call for FD, unless he counted his 2 overs for his outs?

After the hand, I was wondering if there would be any value to jamming.
 
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Ouch rough beat, but a lot of times he does have 10 9 here and there's the value. Could be a set of 2's, 3's, I don't know it's close.

Busted flush, set of 2's/3's, 10 9s, A 10

Flush*, 99, A4s

I think value is in pushing all-in here, although the hands to worry about are like 10 8s, J 10s, Q 10s, K10s, A10s (diamonds)

Bad beat here. But yes, tough decision to raise or call.
 
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After the hand, I was wondering if there would be any value to jamming.
Totally value in jamming. Pay this guy off every time. If he's drawing to backdoor straights & flushes, he's most definitely stacking off with top pair. Opponents are almost never getting odds to draw to backdoor draws, so just pay them off and don't worry about them unless you've got some sort of mega-read.

I don't think its close at all, and I think the river is an obvious, easy as hell value shove.
 
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I think you played the hand OK. I sometimes would put it all in on the turn when the flush draw appears - although it reduces your value from calling hands because sensible opponents will fold - it's amazing how you get calls from A10, overpair and even flush draw w overcards.
 
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The question is: is there any value in raising? IMHO the answer is no, simply because he's only going to call with a hand that has a good chance of beating you. Risking a loss now to set up a later win is marginal at best.
 
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Totally value in jamming. Pay this guy off every time. If he's drawing to backdoor straights & flushes, he's most definitely stacking off with top pair. Opponents are almost never getting odds to draw to backdoor draws, so just pay them off and don't worry about them unless you've got some sort of mega-read.

I don't think its close at all, and I think the river is an obvious, easy as hell value shove.

Wrong wrong wrong. While he would probably stack off TP, do you really see this guy c/c flop, c/c turn, then b/c a shove on river with Tx?

Makes no sense, and he is passive (we know that now, maybe hero knew it during the game too) I mean it can happen but nowhere nearly enough

So I think we can take out most Tx except T9, and then we just need to call in case he has T9/missed heart draw/some random 2 pair and Tx he plays weird once in a blue moon.
 
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