$10 NLHE 6-max: River Shove or Check when Overcard comes OOP

Hand sample: 362 Stats: 19/11/2.1 3bet%: 7.6 No fold to 3 bet stats.

Fold to cbet IP%: 0(2) OP: 25(4)

Shove or check river when king comes on river? I have seen villain be spewy at times (can't remember exactly, just remember him doing bad plays at times).


Hand that I am most worried about is K/Q and sets. Also maybe a check/call or check/fold would have been better?
I bet enough on turn to shove river but King is about the worst card.

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (4 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

SB ($18.21)
Hero (BB) ($42.60)
UTG ($24.17)
Button ($14.25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A , Q
UTG bets $0.30, Button calls $0.30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.20, 1 fold, Button calls $0.90

Flop: ($2.83) 7 , 2 , Q (2 players)
Hero bets $1.60, Button calls $1.60

Turn: ($6.03) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.40, Button calls $3.40

River: ($12.83) K (2 players)
Hero bets $8.40, Villain ???

Total pot: $12.83 | Rake: $0.58

I really haven't got a clue with this hand lol, villain has $8 left so there's not really an amount we can b/f, so shoving looks like our only option I guess, could we make it bigger on the turn so that shoving any river is a no brainer? Even $4.50, and i think he calls this if he calls $3.40, makes the pot $14-15 otr with only 6 left behind, then we really cant make a mistake.

don't 3bet a nit with AQ, he ain't calling worse, he ain't folding better.

As played, I double barrel myself, but river is a check fold. Either he has a set, AA or KK played slow or at least AQ for the split. KQ might happen too.

Just to make sure i'm reading this right, villain hasn't faced a 3b yet? in 362 hands? Or has he faced 3b's, yet not folded. I'm assuming the first, but if it's the second, then this hand is an easy shove.

Anyways, assuming it's the first lol...

I think that's just about the worst card to roll off on the river, besides the king of clubs. It makes his combo's of KQ catch up, which I think are a large part of his range. Also, if villain was calling streets w/AK, he is ahead now as well. I think villain's range consists of Q10, QJ, QK, AQ, 22,33,77, 88-JJ, KK, AA.

Don't have my stove, (on phone) but I'm guessing were not ahead of that range too often, especially since villain is probably weighted towards nut hands instead of middle pp's/weak Q.

I think it might actually be a check/fold? It feels so nitty after leading all streets, but we like never c/c here. It allows him to check down worse Q's + bet made hands. Since stacks are a bit deeper then 100 bbs, I probably just c/f tbh. Feels awful, but I just don't like shoving bc I don't know if Qx will call. Also, I would highly doubt middle pp's are calling river shove either. I feel like shoving allows villain to call with better hands and fold out weaker.

c/f>>>>shove>>>>>>>>>>>>>>c/c imo

xdeuceswild81xx said:

Just to make sure i'm reading this right, villain hasn't faced a 3b yet? in 362 hands? Or has he faced 3b's, yet not folded. I'm assuming the first, but if it's the second, then this hand is an easy shove.

Anyways, assuming it's the first lol...

I think that's just about the worst card to roll off on the river, besides the king of clubs. It makes his combo's of KQ catch up, which I think are a large part of his range. Also, if villain was calling streets w/AK, he is ahead now as well. I think villain's range consists of Q10, QJ, QK, AQ, 22,33,77, 88-JJ, KK, AA.

Don't have my stove, (on phone) but I'm guessing were not ahead of that range too often, especially since villain is probably weighted towards nut hands instead of middle pp's/weak Q.

I think it might actually be a check/fold? It feels so nitty after leading all streets, but we like never c/c here. It allows him to check down worse Q's + bet made hands. Since stacks are a bit deeper then 100 bbs, I probably just c/f tbh. Feels awful, but I just don't like shoving bc I don't know if Qx will call. Also, I would highly doubt middle pp's are calling river shove either. I feel like shoving allows villain to call with better hands and fold out weaker.

c/f>>>>shove>>>>>>>>>>>>>>c/c imo

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Ye, he hasn't faced a 3 bet in all them hands... weird I know.

About villain being a nit, I should have posted his VPIP for his Button range beforehand because it was around 26, therefore he has a wider range on the button. I also agree with the C.F>>>shove now, just quite annoying when your timebank is only 30 seconds and you need more time to decide what to do so I shoved hastily.

Also keep in mind this is 4 handed, so I assume villains open there range as they are both regs, albeit not very good regs

Yoshimiii said:

Ye, he hasn't faced a 3 bet in all them hands... weird I know.

About villain being a nit, I should have posted his VPIP for his Button range beforehand because it was around 26, therefore he has a wider range on the button. I also agree with the C.F>>>shove now, just quite annoying when your timebank is only 30 seconds and you need more time to decide what to do so I shoved hastily.

Also keep in mind this is 4 handed, so I assume villains open there range as they are both regs, albeit not very good regs

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Ah okay, I assumed 19/11 was his btn range, but I don't think that changes it too much. I think given the action, he's still showing up w/the same range...discounting QQ+ somewhat imo bc his 3b is pretty high.

Either way, it's not a fun spot to be in I still think that c/f>shove>c/c


any results?

edit: never mind, don't post results yet...didn't realize this post was only 3 hours old.

I think deuces is right. Puke/check/fold

If river is a blank we still get value from QJ+ and underpairs sometimes but the K both makes KQ the best hand and prevents us from valuetowning the rest of his range.

I check and am pretty happy about folding should he bet. He doesn't turn his middle pairs into bluffs nearly often enough and doesn't value bet worse almost ever.

Just realized villain cold called twice (his button opening % isn't relevant at all) which makes sets more likely and TT/JJ less likely since a %7-8 3bettor will usually 3bet them preflop co vs btn. I think the squeeze is fine in the first place but it makes a blank river a little thinner, though I'd still shove for value. Makes this river easier to c/f imo.

ChuckTs said:

If river is a blank we still get value from QJ+ and underpairs sometimes but the K both makes KQ the best hand and prevents us from valuetowning the rest of his range.

I check and am pretty happy about folding should he bet. He doesn't turn his middle pairs into bluffs nearly often enough and doesn't value bet worse almost ever.

Just realized villain cold called twice (his button opening % isn't relevant at all) which makes sets more likely and TT/JJ less likely since a %7-8 3bettor will usually 3bet them preflop co vs btn. I think the squeeze is fine in the first place but it makes a blank river a little thinner, though I'd still shove for value. Makes this river easier to c/f imo.

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I posted BTN VPIP not PFR, so he is calling with a wider range of hands on the button than other positions, how is this not relevant?

Even if it's his vpip for the button is still going to be pretty much irrelevant since that stat will mostly be made up of his PFR from his steals. Not relevant at all to the situation we're talking about. What will be is his cold calling range, which will be more like %8, .

VPIP != cold calling in position and subsequently calling a squeeze.