$10 NLHE 6-max: River: Hero?

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 20/8/2

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 132.2 BB
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.03, PFR: 24.32, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, hands: 78)
MP: 56.6 BB (VPIP: 61.54, PFR: 46.15, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
CO: 62.6 BB (VPIP: 32.50, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 40)
BTN: 124.3 BB (VPIP: 20.93, PFR: 9.30, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 44)
SB: 72 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:heart: A:spade:

fold, MP raises to 2 BB, fold, BTN calls 2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, MP calls 8 BB, BTN calls 8 BB

Flop: (30.5 BB, 3 players) J:spade: 4:heart: 2:heart:
Hero bets 20.3 BB, fold, BTN calls 20.3 BB

Turn: (71.1 BB, 2 players) K:diamond:
Hero checks, BTN bets 29 BB, Hero calls 29 BB

River: (129.1 BB, 2 players) 3:heart:
Hero checks, BTN bets 65 BB and is all-in, fold

BTN wins 123.3 BB
 
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Check raise shove turn. Call river too. Youve under repped tour hand by checking turn. He doesnt have kk cause kk is 4 betting pre. Ak at best + you have played so passively that it justifies a river call. Hes not shoving river as a reraise. You checked two streets which makes a call here mandatory.
 
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Plus you have the blocker to the nut flush so i dont see what hes repping here? A set? With such a small turn bet? Questionable.
 
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dont see him having you beat here with the flat call on the flop and the weak bet on the turn, think you're ahead on the turn and unless you got unlucky ahead on the river too, definitely sticking around with aces
 
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Plus you have the blocker to the nut flush so i dont see what hes repping here? A set? With such a small turn bet? Questionable.

He bets small to get value from JX.

As played fold river.

Bet turn small-medium yourself though as you would bet bluffs here.
 
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these spots are quite hard as (i dont know why) most people are set mining when calling a 3bet (which is totally -ev at least with me) and my standard line IP is checking the flop w my aces as i believe noone pays off three streets unless hes a fish saving my self from flop checkraises keeping control of the size of the pot. But OOP i have to give away free cards which i hate so maybe betting small turn? but i would bet river bigger so i prefer checking turn or flop... i dont know which is the best line OOP. maybe bet turn and river small? river i think is a clear fold unless hes a fish and cant play a 3bet pot like a normal human being. in general i dont know if its worth the risk stacking off every time at least OOP. i wish i had an instructor... thnx a lot for ur answers i hope more of u help me out wish poker tracker had stats on setmining%!! do u follow the same safe lines with me or go for value at stakes below 50nl?
 
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these spots are quite hard as (i dont know why) most people are set mining when calling a 3bet (which is totally -ev at least with me) and my standard line IP is checking the flop w my aces as i believe noone pays off three streets unless hes a fish saving my self from flop checkraises keeping control of the size of the pot. But OOP i have to give away free cards which i hate so maybe betting small turn? but i would bet river bigger so i prefer checking turn or flop... i dont know which is the best line OOP. maybe bet turn and river small? river i think is a clear fold unless hes a fish and cant play a 3bet pot like a normal human being. in general i dont know if its worth the risk stacking off every time at least OOP. i wish i had an instructor... thnx a lot for ur answers i hope more of u help me out wish poker tracker had stats on setmining%!! do u follow the same safe lines with me or go for value at stakes below 50nl?


There are two scenarios:

1: when he shoves river where you have checked turn and then checked river
2: when he shoves river after you have bet more than 50% of the pot.


The second situation is a clear fold as he shows he doesnt fear anything you may have, but when you have chosen line NUMBER 1 then his shove doesnt get as much credit because you dont know if hes doing it because he has the goods or if hes doing it because you showed weakness.

In my humble(not humble) opinion i preffer the bet at least 45% of the pot and if he then shoves you can fold because its different if he shoves in position after you have checked and its different if he 3bet shoves.

You see the difference.

Try using blocker bets in order to get a feeling if hes serious or not. The bigger the blocker bet , the more you know hes talking business if he goes over the top.

hope this helps.:p
 
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More preflop and bet, bet, shove. Not sure why you took the line that you did in this hand.
 
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thnx blackrain for ur comment too. few lines above ive posted some thoughts that trouble me tons when deciding how to play big hands vs massive setmining and stuff that run through my head playing the hand. i would like an opinion cause i guess all this is in my head and im just loosing value. maybe stacking off every time is the best choice..
 
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thnx vinyl ur correct when u say i should test the waters to see if he means business. to be honest this is a wet flop and he would have raised immediately. if he raises turn maybe i can take my time then.
 
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This flop is not wet. I mean besides for the flush draw yea, but i would consider this flop to be wet"ish". TBH its kind of a dream flop for someone who has pocket aces.
 
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Flop is medium, not wet. With fish in the pot though they have a ton of FD's in their range and maybe in 53 depending on how bad they are.
 
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Nodal,you can't play poker if your going to be scarred of sets. You bet bet bet and if he goes over the top on a very dry board,let it go. If he's not going over the top, he doesn't have a set. That simple. Your losing value by playing a little to safe here in this hand.
 
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I would call, but I don't know if I would check the turn because you are giving a free card for any draw to complete. I think you are ahead most of the times. What range of hands do you think he played? and what he could possible have? Maybe he had KJ and got his 2 pair on the turn, or maybe he hit a set on the flop, but I don't really know how many times he would have this. Maybe he hit top pair on the turn, and he thinks he is dominating you.
 
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thnx vinyl ur correct when u say i should test the waters to see if he means business. to be honest this is a wet flop and he would have raised immediately. if he raises turn maybe i can take my time then.

Flop is not wet. If you're afraid of sets constantly then isn't every flop wet for you? Unless I had some sick read that villain loves to call big turn bets with FD then I'm bet bet jamming as blackrain said
 
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thnx blackrain for ur comment too. few lines above ive posted some thoughts that trouble me tons when deciding how to play big hands vs massive setmining and stuff that run through my head playing the hand. i would like an opinion cause i guess all this is in my head and im just loosing value. maybe stacking off every time is the best choice..

Your opponent is not a very good player judging by his stats. He will likely call you down with much worse. You can also fold if you are raised on the turn or river because a passive player like this will almost never do that without 2 pair +. This pretty much applies to every reg at these limits also. That is why bet, bet, shove and fold sometimes if they fight back is nearly always the best line to take in spots like this.
 
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bet/fold turn, bet/fold river. most standard hand/board ever. i mean i had to read the hand history 3 times to believe you played it this way.
 
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The key has to be VPIP: 61.54,,,,,decent players rarely get this high even in 13 hands as here.... much more likely that he is playing JQ J10 type hands and simply has top pair and puts you on AK especially after you checking the turn.
 
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With a board like this you need to be raising pot size for flop and turn.
You look weak and you've enabled your opponent to catchup and giving him cheaper cards than you should've. Your losing the hand not your opponent.
 
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