$10 NLHE 6-max: River decision, I get there and villain raises

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Hero (MP): $10.00
CO: $12.92
BTN: $11.82
SB: $9.90
BB: $7.58
UTG: $5.77

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with 7
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8
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1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 8
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A
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Q
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Hero bets $0.50, BTN calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.75) 2
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Hero bets $1.10, BTN calls $1.10

River: ($3.95) 2
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Hero bets $1.90, BTN raises to $5.10, Hero folds


Villain is 27/19. It seems all I can do nowadays is simply bet/fold every single hand I make. I don't think he raises worse than the 8 high flush here. Are there alternative options or ways to play this hand?
 
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good fold, maybe make a pot bet on the flop.
 
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I'm not convinced your beat here i think he would raised you on the flop if he had a big ace, he could be slowplaying 88 but since you have an 8 that makes that unlikely, and i really doubt he just called with QQ or AA, obviously i don't have any information on the player if he is passive or aggressive. I think he might of had A2 or a higher flush so in the end a good fold but i would of made the call because i'm a station :rolleyes:
 
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NOT good fold. Putting every single possible 9xss+ hand in his range gives him 33 combos, and if he's not a complete retard he doesn't have that many flushes. If he can be bluffing with AKo or snowing with AQo, then you beat the majority of his range. And if he CAN have every single flush that beats you, then he's a retard and probably has a random 2x instead. Plus you're getting better than 2:1.

Ergo, call.
 
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On those limits with those pot odds I always call. From my experince he can have any ace to raise. So without good read telling me otherwise, I would call that river.

If you strategy involves folding on such river, then I would raise less on turn and river.
 
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The amount he raised you on the river, tells you he didn't want a caller!... If he was stringing you along he'd bet lighter... And if he thought you were strong enough he'd have pushed all-in to get paid off! :)
 
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The amount he raised you on the river, tells you he didn't want a caller!...
His raise wasn't very big actually, just slightly over pot-size. Which is precisely why we need to call.
 
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Curious at to what other people think about turn here rather than the river as the river is a definite B/F. He isn't raising worse. Also you're sizing is good, get him to pay off A/x

On turn I would say either bet more to make him fold Q and lower or bet less as a blocking bet. A $1.1 into a $1.7 is in between and doesn't really get anything done other than bloat the pot.

This is how I see it anyway, unless anyone else wants to tell me why this is wrong.
 
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The amount he raised you on the river, tells you he didn't want a caller!... If he was stringing you along he'd bet lighter... And if he thought you were strong enough he'd have pushed all-in to get paid off! :)

You're just guessing, you don't know what he was really thinking so no point trying.
 
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NOT good fold. Putting every single possible 9xss+ hand in his range gives him 33 combos, and if he's not a complete retard he doesn't have that many flushes. If he can be bluffing with AKo or snowing with AQo, then you beat the majority of his range. And if he CAN have every single flush that beats you, then he's a retard and probably has a random 2x instead. Plus you're getting better than 2:1.

Ergo, call.

Calling people retarded to try and justify a call on this river is in itself, 'retarded'.

Villains aren't turning A/X into bluffs here on the river, they either call/fold.

Hardly anyone is raising rivers as bluffs at 10nl. Especially when they see Hero bet all 3 streets.

If villain is bluffing here, then props to him I'll eat my virtual hat :).
 
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Lol no one at 10nl is capable of turning AK into a bluff at any point ever. Villain only has flushes here when he raises the river, and none of them are 6-high or worse. So good fold.
 
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Calling people retarded to try and justify a call on this river is in itself, 'retarded'.

Villains aren't turning A/X into bluffs here on the river, they either call/fold.

Hardly anyone is raising rivers as bluffs at 10nl. Especially when they see Hero bet all 3 streets.

If villain is bluffing here, then props to him I'll eat my virtual hat :).
Right, so say he's not smart enough to turn Ax into a bluff. Are we actually gonna assume, then, that he's enough of a level 2 thinker to think "there's a 3-flush on the board, if I raise I'm not getting called with worse"? Is it not ever possible that he has a random 2 and thinks that trips are an awesome hand and he should therefore bet them?

Cause, I mean, flushes are just so, SO rare man. He just has to have four 2x hands in his range for him to have as many trips as better flushes. And that's assuming he has every single better flush possible including 93ss.
 
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27/19. The only 2 villain has is A2.
 
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