$10 NLHE 6-max: river action

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$10 NL HE 6-max: river action

villain is 25\15, nothing extremely ut of line.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($10.68)
Hero (Button) ($10)
SB ($5.24)
BB ($16.02)
UTG ($2.43)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10
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, 10
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1 fold, MP bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 5
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, 7
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, 9
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(2 players)
MP bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75

Turn: ($2.25) 4
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(2 players)
MP bets $0.70, Hero raises $2.20, MP calls $1.50

River: ($6.65) K
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(2 players)
MP checks, Hero ??
 
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I'd probably raise on the flop. Another $1.75-$2.50 bet would rpobably suffice. He'll probably think it's a value bet and he'll fold or he'll call thinking his A, 9 is good.
 
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Against a 25/15, I'd like to 3-bet my TT.

As played, the flop is harmless enough to raise.

As played, I like a slightly larger turn raise.

As played, either bet for value and hope he didn't hit the K, or have you beat the whole time, or check back and cut your losses in case you're behind.

I'm not terribly afraid of 36 or 68 showing up to a pot here, but hands like K9 are going to C/R you here, while hands like A9 won't always look you up. The uncommon set here could be disastrous as well. If the villain's still in after our turn raise, my only concern is not raising another street so we could find out more about him. I might like a check behind.
 
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I play it exactly as you did to the river.

River, I'm betting $2, and I hate the spot we're in if he shoves but that just means the equity on calling/folding is near enough, the more frequent extra $2 value is worth way more.

To be a little more detailed:
Pre-flop is a standard call because we're not stacking TT and we're not turning it into a bluff.
Flop, call, I don't see any value in raising. You're almost always ahead here but if you raise then everything that you beat is going to start pot controlling or just fold.
Turn, the board has gotten so drawy (and villain's range is wide here, imo) that there's certainly value in raising. When he calls I think his range is still kind of wide purely because the board is so drawy that our raise doesn't have a ton of credibility.
River, I think the Kc is a blank. It's kind of tough to put in another value bet though, betting every street + raising the turn is pretty close to overplaying TT and if he shoves we've got a tough decision, but tough decisions are usually pretty even in equity so just extract maximum value and worry about that when it happens.
 
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I would have checked with him on the river. He could of tried to get you to bet, or you he just missed everything and checked having nothing. If he was trying to get you to bet, it didn't work if you checked, so you didn't lose any more money that u would have. If he missed everything, then you didn't lose chips, you won the pot.
 
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I'm not sure he would have called a bet on the river unless he had you beat, because if you bet he has to figure you had the K or weren't afraid of it. So either you bet, he calls and you lose, or you bet, he folds and you win. Either way, your profit potential was the same, albeit with less risk by checking instead of betting.
 
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No one has the K (most of the time).
It's a tiny part of any range you can give them.

On the turn with the raise and call both players are screaming that they've either got a big hand or a good draw.

Don't you think it's perfectly reasonable for him to think we've got a busted draw here? All we've done is float a flop bet and raise when the board got drawy, now a blank river has hit and we're checked to.
That's why we get calls.
 
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Pokerkid has it nailed I think, to elaborate on flatting pre to the person suggesting to 3bet, he have position!! This is so critical, against some villains I find a 3bet with TT if I'm out of position in the blinds. Villains 3b calling and 4b range out of position against us has TT beat quite considerably, and we fold out a whole host of hands we can extract from post flop. I can't justify finding a 3bet for value in position against a relatively standard 10NL 6max player, I'd much rather play post flop in position and try and extract more value, it's most definitely +EV to flat rather than 3bet here imo.

The flop is villain dependant, I'm raising for value against spewboxes, but here the flat is ok, as is the raise on the turn - as pokerkid has said already.

To elaborate on the river, does he always underbet the second barrel? To underbet/call a raise on the turn on that board might suggest he has a draw, but to check the river out of position possibly he has some showdown value? Or is just giving up? I dunno, I'd be narrowing his range here to primarily to suited aces, Kd9d, 88, 66. From a 25/15 surely two pairs, sets and a flopped straight are both betting more on the turn if he has any idea what he is doing, particularly on such a wet board and is likely prepared to ship the turn? I'd bet like €1.95 (just looks less than €2, more likely to get called and sacrifice 5c lol). I can only guess you bet he raised here? Villain has taken an awkward line and I only really see K9 that beats us here??? I dunno how much credit I'd be giving a check raise here, if that was the line he did indeed take.
 
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