$10 NLHE 6-max: Readless Multi-Street Bluff

$10 NL HE 6-max: Readless Multi-Street Bluff

First hand at the table. I like it though, but I want a second opinion.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($13.46)
CO ($12.43)
Button ($9.92)
SB ($10)
Hero (BB) ($10)
UTG ($13.72)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8 , 9
4 folds, SB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60) 4 , J , 4 (2 players)
SB bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.40) 3 (2 players)
SB bets $1, Hero calls $1

River: ($3.40) 10 (2 players)
SB bets $2, Hero raises to $5, SB...

Its sexy but i dont like, in fact im slightly sick to my stomach. Kinda like Amy Winhouse i guess .

The problem here is your repping FH/backdoor flush against a unknown.
In my experience unknowns 10nl players are not capable of folding Jx,overpairs or flushes here, which is gonna be the majority of there range here imo.
Im not thrilled about the raise size either, its a small "call me" bet but since villain in all likelyhood sucks he will ignore how ridic strong this look cause he likes showdown, i think u can get alitle more FE by jamming.

Sure u to tend to get more respect for bluffs early in a seesion but i really want have atleast some idea who villain is before we commited to big bluff.

I just thought he has overs or a pocket pair smaller than jacks way more than anything else. If that folds I think it's +EV.

Kinda hard to call with less than a J.

Fold preflop, fold flop, fold turn, fold river.

The pre-flop call is standard for me. 89o, in position, to call 20c into a 40c pot. I'm getting good odds with position.

Flop seems standard too, I have no redraws but he has a hand so rarely.

Turn/river, yeah I can see an argument for it being spewy.

If any action other than folding is standard for you, you're a super giant spewtard. Just sayin'. The only other line I like is 3-betting preflop, and that takes a read.

I'm just wondering why the pre-flop call isn't standard.

thepokerkid123 said:

I'm just wondering why the pre-flop call isn't standard.

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Uh you have a hand that makes mid-pair, gutshots, and air 85% of the time? And even when we spike that 15% the guy isn't paying us off because he's got a decent set of stealing hands?

pot odds + position make up for that, and air in his range is good for me, imo.
If he was really tight from the SB, then I can understand being concerned because his range is stronger and I can't play back at the air. But an unknown at 10nl has a weak enough raising range from the SB that he's going to give up post-flop, a lot.

Thinking more about the later streets my reason for floating really lightly (which is fairly standard for me) is because people give up on the turn a lot at 10nl, but that contradicts my logic for the turn and river so those streets at least are bad, in hindsight.

In BvB I doubt he is folding any kind of hand here.

K, I won't tap the glass anymore than I already have...

I don't mind the call preflop because position is very strong but I don't like attempting a multi-street bluff with absolutely no read. If you really want to bluff this hand, I'd probably do it on the flop. Sure, you're only repping like AJ-QJ and 4x, but villain can't have a read on you so thats where position comes to be so strong.

If villain calls your raise, just fold turn as a standard villain at 10nl will never fold Jx in this spot.

I guess it can be interesting to try these highly sophisticated bluffs but theyr extremely difficult to pull off, imo with any kind of consistency to show a profit.

Also I would agree with the preflop call because of 2 things, one position on only one player and 2) the tendency of 10nl players to fold under the slightest pressure and to not play extra tricky, therefore letting you take advantage of position. Otherwise, I see myself folding this hand about 75% of the time.

Pot odds, ok 2 to 1 roughly but i wouldnt play this hand for less than 3 to 1 at least. Theyr not suited and yes theres connectedness but if the flop would allow you to chase an open ender say with 4.5 to 1 odds, I would want at least that much to justify a call preflop because as mentionned we often flop second pair or other random junk wit this type of hand.

And also I feel it would need to be a very read dependant float. If you get the sense the sb would not be able to take pressure well, go for it. And I agree you should have given up this hand in particular after the flop.

***WARNING WARNING*** FPS alert!!!!! Good luck with this line, seriously I'd love to see it work, but only happening once in a blue moon.

sindri_93 said:

Its sexy but i dont like, in fact im slightly sick to my stomach. Kinda like Amy Winehouse i guess .

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HA ha hahhah hahha!!!! QFT

c9h13no3 said:

K, I won't tap the glass anymore than I already have...

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Lol, I'm so glad I read this thread. C9 makes me


Please show the hand finish out as: Villain calls, mucks 87o and we can then use this as a perfect example of an aeJones theorem hand

Readless, you'd probably be better off setting a big pile of money on fire than taking this line.

1) 10NL players don't value bet well.
2) 10NL players don't run multi-street bluffs.
3) 10NL players call too much.

All this points to villain having a very strong hand, and never folding. And yes, calling PF is basically horrible here. Fold>3-bet>call.

FWIW I'm starting a petition to change poker hand rankings so that making open-ended with a flush draw on the river beats 2 pair.