$10 NLHE 6-max: Reacting IP to PF 3bet and overcards to the flop

I'd like to get some feedback on how you would approach this hand. Specifically, how to respond to the 3bet from the BB and then how to react to the flop.

Merge - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $12.79 Stats: 32/12 over 26 hands
BTN: $10.91 Stats: 13/4 over 24 hands
SB: $4.85
BB: $15.03 Stats: 19/12 over 256 hands
Hero (UTG): $18.73

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has K♣ J♣

Hero raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, fold, BB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.20, fold, fold

Flop: ($3.65, 2 players) 5♦ 8♥ 5♣
BB bets $2.43, ???

What is the BB 3bet stat?

I would fold to the PF 3bet unless he is a 3betting maniac or you know that he loves to squeeze.

As played fold to the cbet. You have K high, no equity and can't rep much.

micromachine said:

What is the BB 3bet stat?

I would fold to the PF 3bet unless he is a 3betting maniac or you know that he loves to squeeze.

As played fold to the cbet. You have K high, no equity and can't rep much.

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Ditto

If he isn't bluffing here your going to get buggered by villains range.
AK/JJ+ not only crush you for equity but will also stack you most times you hit. AK/KK/AA on king high flops, QQ/KK/AA on J high flops. If I was villain and I'm 3betting for value this is the ideal sort of hand I'd like to see call.

Even if he has a high squeeze or 3bet% I 4bet bluff rather than flat. Rather than face a flop where our hand is potentially dominated we can use our situation to our advantage and use our cards as blockers.

AK/JJ/KK are all much less likely so we will get 5bet less. When we do get 5bet domination doesn't matter as we're folding.

wahhey, maybe my assumptions based on your stats were accurate after all, i figured you would be calling too many 3bets, and this looks like a prime example. People aren't 3betting UTG opens super light, like deco said, if you're calling too many 3bets then you're gonna get owned when people realise and start 3betting a merged range for value, KQ,AK,AQ etc, then you call with JQ/KJ and when there's a Kxx, Jxx, Qxx flop, you're losing a good part of your stack, if not all of it!

micromachine said:

What is the BB 3bet stat?

I would fold to the PF 3bet unless he is a 3betting maniac or you know that he loves to squeeze.

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He doesn't have a very high squeeze or 3bet% (5%).

Deco said:

Even if he has a high squeeze or 3bet% I 4bet bluff rather than flat. Rather than face a flop where our hand is potentially dominated we can use our situation to our advantage and use our cards as blockers.

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Deco, do you have any data on how effective the 4-bet bluff is at the micro levels? I do tend to have an aggressive approach overall, but I think that's why I'm basically a break-even cash player!

acky100 said:

People aren't 3betting UTG opens super light, like deco said, if you're calling too many 3bets then you're gonna get owned when people realise and start 3betting a merged range for value, ....

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This! I guess why I need more work on my 3bet play. One of my biggest leaks is over-playing my hands. I think I get lucky enough just often enough to keep me from breaking this habit.

But, how much of the realization is going on at micro stakes? I've read lots about how micro stakes players aren't thinking at much beyond level 1 or 2. With that said, it seems that the 6-max games are tight (Carbon) and most of the players at the tables are regulars.

Is 25NL the new 50 or 100NL?

fold to three bet.

I might call if I was on the button (KJs is a losing hand for me in early position) but you had two callers behind after your initial raise which is an uncomfortable spot . Then again, if you can count on them to call the 3bet behind you then you'll be in a giant 4 way pot with a hand that hits some really strong draws. After the flop tho, you gotta give it up for sure. If you had any kind of draws other than that that backdoor flush then you could decide to get sticky in position and see a turn. Last thing that goes through my mind is that some tags(he isn't really a tag tho) love/over utilize the squeeze so I think you might actually see him with 89s here(which still has you beat) every so often.

I don't know about 25nl exactly but even 4nl(so take my advice lightly) is full of weak tight regs who play 16/14 and cbet regularly but if you have position on them they pretty much play fit fold. You've gotta take it away postflop because they're preflop strategy is solid. Some might hate this but I'm experimenting with flat calls in position on the supertighties then essentially betting any flop they don't and putting in a raise on boards they're Aj+ wasn't likely to hit. You can also abuse the 3bet in position because they tend to play fit/fold with all those pocket tens or AQ's that they couldn't get the courage to 4bet.

debpes said:

He doesn't have a very high squeeze or 3bet% (5%).

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Yup defo fold.

debpes said:

Deco, do you have any data on how effective the 4-bet bluff is at the micro levels? I do tend to have an aggressive approach overall, but I think that's why I'm basically a break-even cash player!

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It's not really about whether 4bet bluffs work at a certain stake it's about whether the people they work on exist. If you see someone who has a huge 3bet% yet isn't stacking off light and isn't a big fish who will snap call, 4bet bluffs will make money against that player whether your at 2NL or 2000NL.

debpes said:

But, how much of the realization is going on at micro stakes? I've read lots about how micro stakes players aren't thinking at much beyond level 1 or 2. With that said, it seems that the 6-max games are tight (Carbon) and most of the players at the tables are regulars.

Is 25NL the new 50 or 100NL?

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I'm inclined to agree with you here I don't think most players will widen their range at 25NL and tbh calling with KJs assumi9ng it's the bottom of your range isn't going to be noticable enough for people to start 3betting KQ or AJ for value.

Regardless though people don't need to adjust their range to profit from your KJs here! {AK, QQ+} crushes your KJs just fine! Until you have a good read that someone is significantly wider than that we fold. With limited or no information on villain this is what we range we should assume villain 3bets. Folding KJs vs a bluff loses us far less money than flatting KJs into a nutted range.

CaptainKout said:

I might call if I was on the button (KJs is a losing hand for me in early position)

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Calling this hand is trouble, tbh unless you are a master of post flop play 4 bet or fold.

Im a full ring player, but would this not be a fold UTG pre..

youregoodmate said:

Calling this hand is trouble, tbh unless you are a master of post flop play 4 bet or fold.

Im a full ring player, but would this not be a fold UTG pre..

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6max my UTG is JQs+,KQo+ so this is a open,but then a snap fold to the 3bet of course.

Fold to the 3-bet.