$10 NLHE 6-max: Rare SB limp pre... correct to C/R the flop?

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poker stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1192601
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MP: $4.97
CO: $11.41 Solid nit over a good sample
BTN: $10.52
Hero (SB): $12.83
BB: $10.00 Solid TAG over a good sample
UTG: $3.65 59/0 drooler over 100 hands. hate to fold to cbets and never 3bets either.

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with A
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J
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UTG calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, 1 fold,

We have a limpfest, I can't fold AJ here and Its just not strong enough to raise especially with idiot UTG to act.

This is a RARE OOP complete with 9:1

Hero calls $0.05, BB checks

Flop: ($0.50) 9
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J
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(5 players)

At the time I didn't feel the board was that wet... I just knew someone would bet in to this one so opted for a C/R. I hardly ever C/R exept in spots like this as I much prefer to lead out.

Hero checks, BB bets $0.50, UTG calls $0.50, MP folds, CO calls $0.50,

The pot is now $2.50

Hero raises to $3.05, BB raises to $9.90 all in, UTG calls $3.05 all in, CO folds,

I am getting 2.55:1 with TPTK...

Hero calls $6.85

Turn: ($24.35) A
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(3 players - 2 are all in)

Lookin' good!

River: ($24.35) 7
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(3 players - 2 are all in)

What d'ya think?
 
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Meh, just raise pre and you wont find yourself in these weird spots.

As played I like leading the flop to pick. Its a limped pot with a wettish flop that hits a lot of their limping range and we get calls from a lot of draws and 9xs.
 
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It's good I think. We need value hands like TPTK in our C-R range to balance out our draws and sets.
 
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LOL @ balancing, again!

Dude just raise pre. Limping means passiveness means gayness means weak hand, go for VALUEEEEEE
 
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I dont mind the limp pre tbh.

Just depends on who bets the flop, a solid tag can usually beat tptk in a multi-way pot. I think leading is better though.
 
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Serious question, Is balancing really necessary/effective at stakes 10nl and under?
 
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raising AJo in the SB vs. 3 limps is pretty horrible.
 
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Serious question, Is balancing really necessary/effective at stakes 10nl and under?

Nope. Its something that i really really cannot understand from players on here. Eveyone seems obsessed about stuff that really dosnt kick in until nl50-100. I am playing nl$25 at the moment, and every single 4 bet i do is a shove, balance is meh.
 
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Scared about playing AJ in a raised pot OOP obv
 
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Why? Serious question because I do it here about 100% of the time.

It's just not a hand that plays well in a multi-way pot. Unless their limping ranges are super weak (CO is a nit and his limp range is probably ahead of us) we rarely flop anything really worth playing for stacks.

my SB raising range is something like TT+/AQ+
 
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I checked my db and my WR with exactly AJo from the SB when I raise limpers is 117BB/100 (129 hand sample). I have only limped in this same spot 19 times and my WR after limping is 60BB/100. So yeah limping behind is likely profitable but I think raising is much more so.
 
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It's just not a hand that plays well in a multi-way pot.

So your advocating limping in a multi way pot. Raise it up and possibly tid pf, or get hu in raised pot v fish!
 
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I checked my db and my WR with exactly AJo from the SB when I raise limpers is 117BB/100 (129 hand sample). I have only limped in this same spot 19 times and my WR after limping is 60BB/100. So yeah limping behind is likely profitable but I think raising is much more so.


well i'm interested in knowing how you play AJo UTG cuz I think our we should play tighter in the SB than UTG...AJo is a standard fold for me in EP at most tables but folding for 1/2 a bb is a little silly. I think it is pretty reasonable to fold A9o though.
 
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AJo UTG really depends on the table for me. If the fish is in the blinds I raise it. If not I generally fold it. Difference from being UTG vs the SB is that if I'm UTG I haven't seen the rest of the table act but if I'm in the SB and I see a couple limpers I pretty much know their ranges are weak. I mean they're basically weaker Aces some SCs and small pairs.
 
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does your winrate change with multiple limpers? Cuz I can obviously see AJo being a huge winner HU vs. a limper but when we're not likely to get it HU t's probably a different story. I think CO might fold HU but not after the whale UTG calls and MP likely calls as well.
 
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Can't figure out a filter for that.
 
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It'd probably be such a small sample as to be meaningless, plus I'm sure you play better post than me.
 
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What's your WR like limping it? Overall loss rate from the SB?
 
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i mentioned it in the TT thread but my database (for cash games) is seriously frakked up and i lost most of my hands for the past two years.
 
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