$10 NLHE 6-max: Quads, 3-bet, 3-way, deep

$10 NL HE 6-max: Quads, 3-bet, 3-way, deep

So, I was trying to isolate and hopefully get it in against the shortstack here since he's a major drooler. I 3-bet, they both call and bingo. Plus we're 150bb deep vs. other villain. Both villains are pretty bad, like 50+ VPIPs. Best way to get value here?

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party poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

Hero (CO): $14.90 (149 bb)
BTN: $13.05 (130.5 bb)
SB: $10.05 (100.5 bb)
BB: $4.55 (45.5 bb)
UTG: $5.75 (57.5 bb)
MP: $15.70 (157 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with T T
UTG raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.30, 3 folds, UTG calls $1, MP calls $1

Flop: ($4.05) T 5 T (3 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero ??

I would either bet a really small amount, like 1/5 of the pot or so, or give them a free card. It depends on what kind of bad your villains were. I think betting a small amount is the best here. You're probably not getting paid unless they have the flush draw anyways, and you should give them "correct" odds to call with that or even overs. I think most of the time, players at that level would call you. I think the advantage of giving the free card is that theres greater potential to win more money since they might bluff, so I might do that if their aggression factors were high. With a small bet, you're going to win a small amount more often.

Given the situation I think they give up often without a pair or draw (3bet pot, 3-way people don't often chase), so I think I also check back or bet a really small inducer. "%50+ vpips" is really general though and specific reads could help.

ChuckTs said:

Given the situation I think they give up often without a pair or draw (3bet pot, 3-way people don't often chase), so I think I also check back or bet a really small inducer. "%50+ vpips" is really general though and specific reads could help.

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I only had like 20 hands on them, so no real reads other than they were horrible.

So say we check, and they check on the turn, then what? Just bet and pray they have something, or check it through again to try to get some value from bluffs on the river? I'm really horrible at getting value when I have the deck crushed like this.

In my experience, bad players with VPIPs that high, tend to be passive calling stations. I think checking again on the turn is a bad idea since these players probably won't bluff you and would probably have called small bets every step of the way.

I bet, because they expect you to c-bet. They'll pretty much call you with any pair here, because fish hate giving up when they've put a lot of money in pre. You'll often get floated by AK crap as well. I check back a lot of turns though, since often fish will go "HAHA, THEY'VE GIVE UP, BLUFF TIME!" and just bet whatever the hell they have on the river (even hands like 88 or 77) because they "sense weakness" or whatever. I c-bet 60% or whatever my usual is.

I agree, with this board and bad players I am betting this. They will call if they have a pair and its going to be near impossible to get value out of people who just call to much so might as well get it in now. This way we can check the turn as c9 said and show some weakness and probably get another bet on the river. Its just so hard to get value out of the deepness of the stacks obviously so we just have to get what we can.