$10 NLHE 6-max: QQ vs 3 bet

fletchdad

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Not many hands. Seems TAGGY. his 3 bet from MP 1s 100% but 1 hand..lol

QQ (and JJ) is this a shove vs a reg (17/15, I assume reg) or do I set mine? Also - yes, this is a spot where I often am not sure - if I just call vs this player OOP how do I play the flop? Should I just view QQ as any PP here and set mine, and be done if I miss? Or can I put his range as wide enough to 4 bet/shove? (My initial thought is to mine and give up if I miss, at 10 nl exploitable is ok??)
Yea, I am lost here......

poker stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1757943
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SB: $13.08 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 16, 3B: 5, AF: 2.9, Hands: 721
BB: $10.00 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 16, 3B: 4, AF: 2.5, Hands: 82
Hero (UTG): $10.00 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 12, 3B: 4, AF: 2.3, Hands: 239347
MP: $10.00 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 14, 3B: 7, AF: 1.7, Hands: 77
CO: $7.17 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 9, 3B: 4, AF: 2.3, Hands: 2133
BTN: $10.00 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 20, 3B: 10, AF: Infinity, Hands: 107

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with Q :club: Q :diamond:
Hero raises to $0.30, MP raises to $1.20, 4 folds, Hero ?
 
c9h13no3

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$3 Bob. Typically people 3-bet around 80% of their total 3-bet against EP raisers. That's still enough to stack QQ against.
 
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I think a fold is best decision in the long run, or 4bet and fold to a shove.
 
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I think a fold is best decision in the long run, or 4bet and fold to a shove.
4-betting and folding to a shove is pretty aweful. We're priced in at that point.
 
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So is folding a better option, or stacking off to a re-raise from the 4-bet?
 
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So is folding a better option, or stacking off to a re-raise from the 4-bet?

Stacking off imo. But you could convince me that this should be a fold if you can argue that his 3-bet rate in this spot is really like 2.5% or less.
 
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I am pretty sure fold is the best decision.
 
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Either raise the $1.20 to about $4-$5 or just pop it all-in. I'm not sure about you guys, but QQ is a hard hand to lay down for me. You have to think, only two hands in the deck have you beat.
 
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I have 8BB/100 at 10nl, so fold.

now for a better reason, you are a nit, and you make an utg open, the nit behind you 3bets.

one more time, the main reason you should fold: you are a nit, and you open utg, the nit behind you (in utg+1) 3bets, 4 ppl behind him to act, but he doesn't give a shit because he is ready to stack off, at best he has AK+, JJ+.

You are ahead of JJ and flipping with AK, you are beat by KK AA and rarely split with QQ, but the thing is if you shove here sometimes you get folds by AK (rarely) and JJ (quite often for a nit vs nit battle) and you win 1.2$ when he does so, when you get called he shoes you AA and KK most time.

Therefor the best thing you can do right now is to fold.

however if he shows in the long run that he will 3bet a decent amount of time surely stack off with QQ, but I doubt a 16/14 will all of a sudden turn in 25/19 with a 6% 3bet.
 
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I have 8BB/100 at 10nl, so fold.

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at best he has AK+, JJ+.
If you think this is his 3-bet range, then you should 4-bet and call a shove. Every time. And since villain has so far 3-bet 7%, I don't see how AK, JJ+ is the best case scenario.
 
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If you think this is his 3-bet range, then you should 4-bet and call a shove. Every time. And since villain has so far 3-bet 7%, I don't see how AK, JJ+ is the best case scenario.
I'd say this is the range he's likely to get AI with preflop and he's likely to fold a few other hands he might 3bet. Great result for us.
 
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I'd say this is the range he's likely to get AI with preflop and he's likely to fold a few other hands he might 3bet. Great result for us.
I don't think he stacks JJ pre, but that doesn't matter. What matters here is his 3-bet range. As long as it includes AT LEAST jacks and AK, then this is a standard 4-bet/call it off.

In 2010 I posted Hold'em Manager's 4-bet chart for the first time. I feel like I have posted it once a week since then.

3-bet percentage you need to be facing in order to 4-bet/call off
* KK+: Good against any range
* QQ: vs 3% or higher (3% is AK, JJ+, 40 combos total)
* JJ: vs 6.5% or higher
* TT: vs 8.5% or higher
* 99: vs 10.5% or higher
* 88: vs 12.5% or higher
* 77: vs 14% or higher
* AKs: vs 3% or higher (AK, JJ+, 40 combos total)
* AQs: vs 8% or higher
* AJs: vs 13% or higher
* AKo: vs 5% or higher (AK, JJ+, plus 22% bluffs)
* AQo: vs 9% or higher
 
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