$10 NLHE 6-max: QQ played too passively?

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orangepeeleo

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Think I didnt do too well here lol

IP with QQ are we 3betting an unknown as a default, as he's unknown and UTG my default line is to be cautious, but maybe I'm just being a nit lol

OTF I just flat it, because the cbets quite small and I think he goes away if we raise there, not sure if this is a good idea though given 1 left to act, could be in that we're trying to keep him in, but the flops not great for keeping it MW, not wringing wet but not exactly the driest either.

OTT I figure I have to put a raise in now or i'm really not getting any value lol, thoughts on the raise size there? Bit small? Should I bet betting bigger now to try and get HU otr and build a pot for stacking rivers?

And OTR can we still go for a little vbet? BB has $6.60 left behind UTG has $8.81, the boards ran out pretty shitty though now and I'm wishing I'd been a bit more aggro in this hand lol

PokerStars - $0.16 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $17.58
SB: $9.12
BB: $10.20 19/16/2 (67)
UTG: $12.41 72/25 (4)
CO: $23.83

SB posts SB $0.08, BB posts BB $0.16

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.24) Hero has Q:diamond: Q:spade:

UTG raises to $0.48, fold, Hero calls $0.48, fold, BB calls $0.32

Flop: ($1.52, 3 players) 7:heart: 4:spade: 6:club:
BB checks, UTG bets $0.64, Hero calls $0.64, BB calls $0.64

Turn: ($3.44, 3 players) T:club:
BB checks, UTG bets $1.00, Hero raises to $2.48, BB calls $2.48, UTG calls $1.48

River: ($10.88, 3 players) 7:club:
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero??
 
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3bet preflop. It doesn't matter if he is a nit, fish, regular. Never ever be scared with QQ (preflop), 3bet for value. You are OOP so you NEED INITIATIVE, otherwise you will have to guess what the villain can have. Be cautious to a 4bet (vs unknown). The way you played the hand is pretty bad, you could've at least 3bet on flop (villain cbet less than 1/2 in a 3 way pot). My opinion.
 
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Yeah 3 bet pre. Re raise the flop. U are letting them see cards for too cheap, not the best way to play an overpair. Always look for value pre. But be careful if be four bets pre. That would be a wake up call for me.
 
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you could've at least 3bet on flop

Erm, how? We can 2bet pot certainly, but not 3bet :p As well as curious how we're OOP on the BTN? lol


Anyways I would've 3bet pre to something around 3-4x and as played I would've raised OTF to around 2. But as played OTR I dunno. I like your turn raise. But with both still in the hand, I dunno. I'm afraid of that river. Could easily see top pair OTF turning into trips on the river here with A7o or somethin like that. Ughhh I dunno. Need someone with more experience. I'd want to check. But at the same time I could see us getting calls from worse like 88-99-Tx maybe even 6x if they're super fishy.

Tough spot man. Would like to hear more details from an experienced player on this hand and what do we do with river. Because we've heard, and most could guess, what went wrong before then. But what about as played?
 
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I think you are throwing away money by not just playing this the standard way. As mentioned he doesn't even have a full stack so very unlikely to be a good player. 3bet pre, hope he hits a pair or draw, bet, bet, shove.
 
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We can 2bet pot certainly, but not 3bet :p As well as curious how we're OOP on the BTN?
sorry my bad :D, I was in a hurry. Anyway 3bet preflop IP and OOP, reraise on the flop.
 
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3 bet pre-flop. Raise flop to protect your hand. Raise turn more to get value and stop draws.

Also the board ran out as best as it probably will, if you see a King or an Ace you're pretty much hating your hand.

Possible but unlikely that someone has a 7 and it also negates all 2 pairs that villains could have had
 
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Flatting qq here is acceptable against nits especially if there are heavy squeezers or fish in the blinds. Against a fish 3betting is mandatory.
 
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3bet pre.. not a fan of flatting IP or OOP here.

Raise flop; turn is fine(Maybe bet slightly more because we have 2 in pot) nitty villian isnt checking AA/KK/JJ in this spot so we can nicely bet for value from Tx even 6x middle pocket pair hands. The river is a really good card for us; villians rarely have 7x in this spot; I think they fold to turn raises. Also; his stack size is so short..I mean, I'm probs happy just geting it in whenever.
 
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I think you can see the theme. 3bet this hand preflop! For me, because the stacks are smaller, I would size it to 8.5x or about 1.36. If you can put villains on super tight 3betting ranges of (BB; JJ+,AK) and (UTG; KK+,AK) your hand is marginally profitable if BB shove squeezes and UTG overshoves. This is because of their stack sizes. You would have to be playing 125BB deep for this to be a fold preflop to the shove squeeze overshove scenario with those supertight ranges. The point is don't be scared to 3bet. Anything else is FPS and not worth your time at these levels.

As for the flop, it plays very differently base on preflop action. I would expect that this flop would go check, cbet, fold way more often than not. I would advise you really think about villains UTG raising range when you know that he's played 3 of 4 hands and raised only one of those. That is more than enough data to take an educated guess at this player type. Once you have that, then you can also think about what his range would be to call your 3bet preflop. And further, you can associate the range to what he would float your cbet with.

For discussion: If you 3bet to 1.36 and villain 4bets to 3.50, what would you do then?
 
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the way hand played I think you should check river behind.
 
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