$10 NLHE 6-max: QQ BB. limp, raise, 3bet, me?

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Am I being too nitty here to just want to toss these?

poker stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2082132
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CO: $10.45 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 15, 3B: 8, AF: 11,0, hands: 131
BTN: $10.96 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 19, 3B: 14, AF: 0,0, Hands: 70
SB: $13.81 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 6, AF: 2,8, Hands: 205
Hero (BB): $19.60 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 7, AF: 2,3, Hands: 4384
UTG: $10.00 - VPIP: 28, PFR: 22, 3B: 9, AF: 2,3, Hands: 98
MP: $7.12 - VPIP: 38, PFR: 6, 3B: 0, AF: 6,0, Hands: 34

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with Q :spade: Q :club:
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, CO raises to $0.40, BTN raises to $1.10, Hero?
 
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I 4-bet to 2.30-40 here. Always (from now on anyway). Not too sure about villain just from his stats but he has a massive 3-bet stat. If he was tighter I would 4-bet/fold. His stat is so big that 4-bet/getting it in may be best.

Did you see the thread Chuck posted about preflop stacking ranges? Have a look if you haven't done so already.
 
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4bet call is super standard especialy when BTN has a 3b on 14, probably wider OTB.
 
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Yes!



Absolutely throwing away money unless he has some appallingly high flat vs 4bet. The only time it makes sense to fold is if villain has KK+ every time, but nobody's ever folding AK here.

Sorry I worded that badly, if his 3-betting range was tighter. Can't remember what your thread stated, anything over 4% to 4-bet/call it off with QQ?
 
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he is 3 betting on the button and his 3bet % is 13! = You have the best hand 80% of the time here. 4 bet, then call all in here if he shoves.
 
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I think treating this differently from a regular CO vs Btn spot is understandable. Villain will be bluffing considerably less and is very unlikely to continue against our 4bet with any less than AK/QQ+.

4bet/stacking is pretty standard here regardless of the iso though as people will still bluff. I'm going to be an oddball here though and say I prefer flatting villains 3bet. Not because I'm scared off KK+ these hands will likely stack us either way but because villain is very unlikely to playback against our 4bet given the iso so I'd like to keep his bluffs in.
 
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4bet/stacking is pretty standard here regardless of the iso though as people will still bluff. I'm going to be an oddball here though and say I prefer flatting villains 3bet. Not because I'm scared off KK+ these hands will likely stack us either way but because villain is very unlikely to playback against our 4bet given the iso so I'd like to keep his bluffs in.

Think this is fine at 10nl, anything higher and it just flips our hand face up. We're pretty much only doing this with JJ-QQ and maybe AK. I think its more profitable to flat if we can play post-flop efficiently enough, personally I would rather 4 bet because Im not good enough post-flop.
 
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You'd be surprised how often someone will cbet a flop and jam turn with a backdoor draw in a cold-called 3bet pot just because it's there.

Flatting is going to be more profitable vs a polarized range (and vs someone who is aggro postflop) whereas just sticking it in (that's what she said) is better vs a depolarized range. People generally have such a bad 3bet+ game though that I usually just 4bet here.
 
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