$10 NLHE 6-max: qpair should I raise the flop

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BTN: $29.68 (296.8 bb)
Hero (SB): $14.43 (144.3 bb)
BB: $11.52 (115.2 bb)
MP: $7.50 (75 bb)
CO: $5 (50 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q
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MP calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.50, BB folds, MP calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.10) Q
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Hero checks, MP bets $0.73,
 
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cbet the flop. wat are u hoping to get called by when u c/r?
 
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imo.. c/r that would be really bad, you get all worse hands to fold and anything that beats you stays around.. it just has no point. a perfect example though of why its so hard to play hands oop.
 
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cbet the flop. wat are u hoping to get called by when u c/r?

c/c or bet the flop.

The question Tyler asks is something you should be asking EVERY time you bet or raise. What second best hands am I expecting to call (unless you're looking for a fold)?
 
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Yes. I should definitely bet. I check because he is a very loose player and like to donk bet. I probably should raise in this case.
It turns out he has K4 and get a k on the turn
 
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What's your reason for checking the flop? If it's because he bluffs when checked to, then c/c. If you don't have that read then just bet it.
 
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Yes he bluffs. But I probably should c/r.
What's your reason for checking the flop? If it's because he bluffs when checked to, then c/c. If you don't have that read then just bet it.
 
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you probably should c/r? why?
 
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Why fold if he is so loose.

Beacuse Q/T does not hit flops well and will be real hard to play oop. You will be put in a position to either hit hard or bluff and i dont think either is a good situation. But iso raising a mp limp ip thats a diffrent story.
 
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What is your read/ any stats/ on the MP limper?

Do you know if he bought in for a full stack and dropped down, or is playing short-stacked intentionally?

Why did you raise QTo from the SB? I agree that OOP is not a great place to play this hand and since most people miss the flop, it isn't going to be an easy hand to continue to play OOP.

With no other reads, I just don't think it's a raising hand OOP.

However, since you showed aggression preflop, this is a flop that could be good for cbet. You shouldn't check, you should raise the flop.
 
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Ermm, 100% not folding pre. 4 handed and a chance to go HU against a weak player. By saying fold pre you're implying that you can't play this profitably against a fish, you'd have to play pretty bad for that to be true so raising is clearly going to be best.
 
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You are right 100% especially if the opponent is 64/7.

Ironically, I also agree with your second statement: you should play pretty bad to not get profit from this opponent. And you know what: I am the bad player. I sucks.
I already set a plan pre and bet big to bluff. And I did not do that instead lost a lot.I am really stupid.I really hate myself.
So Tanner1 is right. I am too stupid to play that hand.I am totally a loser


Ermm, 100% not folding pre. 4 handed and a chance to go HU against a weak player. By saying fold pre you're implying that you can't play this profitably against a fish, you'd have to play pretty bad for that to be true so raising is clearly going to be best.
 
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You are right 100% especially if the opponent is 64/7.

Ironically, I also agree with your second statement: you should play pretty bad to not get profit from this opponent. And you know what: I am the bad player. I sucks.
I already set a plan pre and bet big to bluff. And I did not do that instead lost a lot.I am really stupid.I really hate myself.
So Tanner1 is right. I am too stupid to play that hand.I am totally a loser
Don't beat yourself up, you're not a loser, you're just not as experienced as you thought, as we all think, when we join a poker forum.
Take all the advice given, read some poker books and above all, stop beating yourself up.

Use the search feature to look for some ideas on what books would be good for you.
 
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Ya OP don't beat yourself up. I've just seen a few of your threads about having trouble at NL10. I've already suggested it in another thread, but I think that playing 4NL would be really good for you for a couple of different reasons.

a) Its going to be an easier level to beat. This one is simple. The average regular at NL10 that is winning has already beaten 4NL and is therefore better than the new 4NL regular that is just learning and is yet to beat any level over a decent sample size. Fish tend to call down lighter when there is less money at stake ( they don't think in terms of bb's the way they should :) )

b) It should help a lot with your confidence to start winning which should do wonders for your attitude towards the game. Trust me on this one I've been there, I dropped down, I crushed and then I moved back up.

In this hand, just bet the flop and bet any turn card too. A 64/7 fish or w/e is going to call you with all weaker Qx and he has a bunch of those in his range as well as a lot of gut shot straight draws like J9/JT maybe even back door draws like K9 as well as some small pocket pairs.

If at any point you get raised, just dump the hand. In this case when an A comes on the turn it might be hard to get another street of value - villain will also call the flop bet with some Ax combos too - so checking back the river in that case would be fine, but if the board runs out clean then bet/folding 3 streets here against this fish would be my default line.

Its a good idea when you post hands to explain your thought process for each action taken.

I'm curious as to why you felt checking the flop would be better than betting? Most often players that play passively preflop are also passive post flop as well. Therefore, your hand is going to play much better against his calling range than his betting/raising ranges.

Hope that helps and gl op.
 
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I read some classic book. It can not help me for these specific hands.

I am not sure if I think too much. Sometimes I wish if mybrain is very simple and direct, it will be better. My mind is not fit for poker right now.

Don't beat yourself up, you're not a loser, you're just not as experienced as you thought, as we all think, when we join a poker forum.
Take all the advice given, read some poker books and above all, stop beating yourself up.

Use the search feature to look for some ideas on what books would be good for you.
 
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I read some classic book. It can not help me for these specific hands.

I am not sure if I think too much. Sometimes I wish if mybrain is very simple and direct, it will be better. My mind is not fit for poker right now.

What can help you is always thinking about the "WHY" in every decision. Against a loose passive fish your entire strategy should revolve around value betting.
 
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I do that all the time. But I think sometimes I think too much.I made too many bad dicisions after think why.
I think he is loose I should bet a lot, it turns out he has a better kick and I should control the pot.Next time I think I should slow down and he got the want card for free, I got beaten again.

That is why I maybe will become a nit playing abc poker with no brain.


What can help you is always thinking about the "WHY" in every decision. Against a loose passive fish your entire strategy should revolve around value betting.
 
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You sound really results oriented.

If you value bet a fish with top pair with a 10 kicker, and he shows up with top pair and a J kicker don't sweat it. You ran into the top of his range. The important thing to remember is you still played the hand well regardless of the results.
 
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When too many things come into my mind I probably will make the wrong decision. I'd better slow down a little bit.

You sound really results oriented.

If you value bet a fish with top pair with a 10 kicker, and he shows up with top pair and a J kicker don't sweat it. You ran into the top of his range. The important thing to remember is you still played the hand well regardless of the results.
 
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