$10 NLHE 6-max: Q10s 3bet pot

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 42.7 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 5)
CO: 124.2 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
BTN: 96.3 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
SB: 52.2 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
BB: 117.1 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
Hero (UTG): 114.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q:heart: T:heart:

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, CO calls 3 BB, BTN raises to 10.7 BB, SB calls 10.2 BB, fold, Hero calls 7.7 BB, CO calls 7.7 BB

Flop: (43.8 BB, 4 players) 8:diamond: T:club: 6:spade:
SB raises to 41.5 BB and is all-in Hero ???

These 3 were in most the pots involved since I been at table, about 3 hands while waiting for blinds also. Fold pre?

Fold only cuz flop is coodinated and against 2 top pair gk wont hold

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Fold the flop. The SB cold-called a pretty big squeeze, so he probably has JJ/QQ, strong broadways, and the occasionally KK/AA. Hard to say since his VPIP is so high, but it's over such a small sample that we should probably disregard it. You're not beating any hands here really other than pure spazz. There are no flush draws either. The SB really shouldn't be spazzing here with 3 people to act behind him. It looks like he just wants to end the hand and not get outdrawn on. Sets/JJ+ and even weird stuff like K10s/A10s crush you. And you still have 2 people behind you to act. The 3-bettor can easily have an overpair here.

I think we should fold pre. Stacks aren't very deep, and the squeeze is quite large. And when we make a pair, we have a lot of reverse implied odds. Flopping two pair or trips is really rare, and when we flop a draw, the SPR is too low for us to continue.

Fwiw squeeze isn't big and doubt SB has AA or KK.

It's most likely QQ, JJ, AT, KT and T8, which doesn't know how to play it post flop.

Folding this.

You could fold this pre or after the squeeze (I would here) or on the flop I don't think it really matters as multiway I want to be playing hands like this.
When I play this hand I'm looking primarily to make a straight, then a flush 2nd (sometimes dominated) and paired hands 3rd (easily dominated)
Once there is significant action and we don't have a decent draw to the primary goals its an instafold for me

Figaroo2 said:

You could fold this pre or after the squeeze (I would here) or on the flop I don't think it really matters as multiway I want to be playing hands like this.
When I play this hand I'm looking primarily to make a straight, then a flush 2nd (sometimes dominated) and paired hands 3rd (easily dominated)
Once there is significant action and we don't have a decent draw to the primary goals its an instafold for me

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This is at the very bottom of my UTG open range and sometimes I don't open, it really depends on image. Here this was my first hand I opened so my image was tighter, if I had already opened a hand or two, I probably fold.

I did fold flop but it really made me think "why even call pre?" I was getting a decent price but if I'm folding when I flop TPGK, its just not worth it.

IPlay said:

This is at the very bottom of my UTG open range and sometimes I don't open, it really depends on image. Here this was my first hand I opened so my image was tighter, if I had already opened a hand or two, I probably fold.

I did fold flop but it really made me think "why even call pre?" I was getting a decent price but if I'm folding when I flop TPGK, its just not worth it.

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Calling pre is fine. SB ripping the flop multiway isn't exactly standard.

IPlay said:

This is at the very bottom of my UTG open range and sometimes I don't open, it really depends on image. Here this was my first hand I opened so my image was tighter, if I had already opened a hand or two, I probably fold.

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Says who? You? Often when I sweat micro players who are winners I hear them talking about how someone hasn't opened much here, so they are near the top of their range most likely, and.... ya... na... never. Not even once in 10 years.

I did fold flop but it really made me think "why even call pre?" I was getting a decent price but if I'm folding when I flop TPGK, its just not worth it.

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Exactly... and if it was 8 Q 6 and he shoves, are you calling? I think the guys look like donks, but I don't mind a fold pre either. These guys aren't going to be thinking about your range and allow you to rep something else. You just have to hit or fold (mostly) against guys like these.

John A said:

Says who? You? Often when I sweat micro players who are winners I hear them talking about how someone hasn't opened much here, so they are near the top of their range most likely, and.... ya... na... never. Not even once in 10 years.



Exactly... and if it was 8 Q 6 and he shoves, are you calling? I think the guys look like donks, but I don't mind a fold pre either. These guys aren't going to be thinking about your range and allow you to rep something else. You just have to hit or fold (mostly) against guys like these.

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I'm not exactly sure what the first part means? Are you saying this line of thinking is basic and that people are more likely to be at the bottom of their range in spots like this because they do have a tight image and they know we notice that?

Yeah, I agree on folding hands like this pre in these spots for now on unless it is literally like a min raise.

IPlay said:

I'm not exactly sure what the first part means? Are you saying this line of thinking is basic and that people are more likely to be at the bottom of their range in spots like this because they do have a tight image and they know we notice that?

Yeah, I agree on folding hands like this pre in these spots for now on unless it is literally like a min raise.

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I mean do you think anyone is noticing, and how does that apply in justifying the pre-flop call? I interpreted what you were saying as you being able to call the 3-bet lighter because you could do something post flop with it. Maybe I misunderstood.

John A said:

I mean do you think anyone is noticing, and how does that apply in justifying the pre-flop call? I interpreted what you were saying as you being able to call the 3-bet lighter because you could do something post flop with it. Maybe I misunderstood.

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Oh no, it was to justify raising preflop in the first place. The call was 3 fishy players in a pot that I am getting a great price on. I would never try a bluff post against these players multiway.