$10 NLHE 6-max: Playing TT out of position

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5c/10c ZOOM table
Hero (UTG) has $19.56
Villain (CO) has $4.88
Hero is dealt Ts Th

SB posts 5c
BB posts 10c
Hero raises to 30c
MP folds
Villain calls 30c
BTN folds
SB folds
BB folds

75c in pot
Flop is 9h Kd 4c

Hero bets 37c
Villain calls 37c

$1.49 in pot
Turn is 7h

Hero bets 70c
Villain calls 70c

$2.89 in pot
River is As

Hero checks
Villain checks

Please tell me what I did wrong and how I should play TT in the future.
 
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This hand should be played with a check call line since you are basically turning your hand into a bluff on the turn which is where your biggest mistake is made. You are not getting called by worse on the turn, ever, which is why you are now bluffing with a hand that has strong showdown value.
 
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I would say that you played good this hand,maybe the turn bet is small,i would prefer something like 90c
 
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I would say that you played good this hand,maybe the turn bet is small,i would prefer something like 90c

Is that 90c bet you speak of for value? If so, what hands that villain is ahead of is calling 90c on the turn?
 
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Thanks for your analyses.

I think that the 90c turn bet that PCK speaks of is a bluff because it would have better fold equity.

It turns out that the villain had Ah 5h, so he was only calling the turn bet with a flush draw. A higher sized bet could've kicked him out (although I didn't know that he was chasing the flush, so I had to give him credit for a hand like JK). He probably thought that if he hits his flush and I have a hand like AK, I'll pay him off, so that was his logic for calling with such bad odds.

He missed the flush, but did hit his Ace on the river, so he won nevertheless.
 
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IPlay, I'd argue that the turn bet actually does allow him to get value from 9x hands and flush draws. The cbet probably looks somewhat like a bluff to villain, so the calling range is wide. We can't only give villain credit for Kx hands and monsters at this point, and there are plenty of people that would call down with worse. Assessing this hand on zoom makes it tough without reads though.
 
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IPlay, I'd argue that the turn bet actually does allow him to get value from 9x hands and flush draws. The cbet probably looks somewhat like a bluff to villain, so the calling range is wide. We can't only give villain credit for Kx hands and monsters at this point, and there are plenty of people that would call down with worse. Assessing this hand on zoom makes it tough without reads though.

True the flop calling range is wide but a turn calling range is going to be much tighter and villain is going to fold the majority of his 9x hands AND all of his air that he may bluff you with when you check. So checking allows villain to bluff you and it allows you an almost guaranteed 2nd street of value from 9x rather it comes in the form of villain thinking he is now value betting the turn when checked too or him checking back and playing his 9x hand as a bluff catcher and calling a river bet.

What flush draw makes it to the turn? The fact that we hold the 10h and the 9h is in play takes away TONS of villains float combos because it blocks alot of his backdoor combo draws.

AhQh, AhJh, QhJh is the only logical ones I can think of and don't you think villain bets these hands when checked too a large majority of the time? You are right in saying you can get value from worse hands by betting this turn but checking is by far optimal.
 
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I think your reasoning is right and you make a good argument for the check calling. However note that, even though we shouldn't be looking at results, villain did show up with Ah5h so clearly there are other flush draws in the range (granted that wasn't a great preflop call by villain, but it just goes to show that it happens against these opponents). This would strengthen the argument for betting just a tad since I don't think Ahxh bets if checked to. I think you're still right though.
 
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Against a half stack unknown, this looks fine.

You could also check/fold the turn here, but it's hard to charge gutshots to draw on the river. I'm playing the hand assuming villain is a fish.
 
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The flow of play is fine for me but not on the bet sizing.
 
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What was your read on the villain? You should have had him on a range of hands preflop..if you had him on KJ then why bet the turn when you are beat? What was your table image? If you always make a C-bet even when you miss then of course he would call hoping to improve or maybe float and bluff you out on a scare card. Maybe if you had a better read on him you would have known that he plays any ace or prefers suited in late position and you could have narrowed his range from there. Personally, I prefer a bigger bet on the flop and turn, maybe 2/3 or 3/4 of the pot, that gives you a better idea of his range. Plus, the check on the river probably did not serve you well if you thought he had you on AK or something strong like that. I know the bet sizing sounds a little strong but I normally play this way with medium pocket pairs in early position because you are giving up strength in early position and I would rather take a small profit loss a big pot. But I cannot emphasize the value of really concentrating on learning your opponents. Learn their hand tendencies from what position, learn whetherou they are calling stations or floaters, learn if they chase cards or play the odds, ect. I really feel like you played this hand the way most people would and you would have success most of the time, but if you had an accurate read of your opponent then you probably would have played it differently and won on an earlier street
 
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Against unknown:

Bet .49 on flop-> 1.10 on turn-> throw up and check fold Ace river.

Just how terrible I would of played it LOL

The wetter the flop and turn the bigger the bet sizing needs to be IMO. Both bluffs and value.
 
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What was your read on the villain? You should have had him on a range of hands preflop..if you had him on KJ then why bet the turn when you are beat? What was your table image? If you always make a C-bet even when you miss then of course he would call hoping to improve or maybe float and bluff you out on a scare card. Maybe if you had a better read on him you would have known that he plays any ace or prefers suited in late position and you could have narrowed his range from there. Personally, I prefer a bigger bet on the flop and turn, maybe 2/3 or 3/4 of the pot, that gives you a better idea of his range. Plus, the check on the river probably did not serve you well if you thought he had you on AK or something strong like that. I know the bet sizing sounds a little strong but I normally play this way with medium pocket pairs in early position because you are giving up strength in early position and I would rather take a small profit loss a big pot. But I cannot emphasize the value of really concentrating on learning your opponents. Learn their hand tendencies from what position, learn whetherou they are calling stations or floaters, learn if they chase cards or play the odds, ect. I really feel like you played this hand the way most people would and you would have success most of the time, but if you had an accurate read of your opponent then you probably would have played it differently and won on an earlier street

This was a ZOOM table. We were all unknown to each other. It was impossible to have any specific reads, so we just had to rely upon general principles and tendencies at the 10NL level.
 
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Do you always make a C-Bet? If you often C-Bet it is good to vary your play w/checks on the flop from time to time. When you do C-Bet is it always about half pot? If you usually bet half pot on the flop try randomly varying amounts(not based on hand strength). Have you seen villain fold to C-Bets 60% to 75% of the time in previous play? Have you seen what he is holding times where he doesn't fold to C-Bets? Those are some things I try to think about.

Pre flop was ok, the C-Bet was fine, but the double barrel should have been a check being as how he called you pre and post already. Check the turn and evaluate pot odds if he bets. The river A would have been a good place to bluff and all-in being as how you have him way covered and it seemed he was playing a pair of K's. Be sure you have seen him fold in similar scenerios first though.
 
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I'd raise the flop 3/4 and bet 3/4 on turn... 3rd card is a great barrel card

But what is your villain? If he folds easily enough you could've continued with the Ace.

Just keep an eye on your opponents tendencies. Some are calling stations with decent hands, others will just float or overvalue pockets like 8s
 
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