$10 NLHE 6-max: Overpair OOP against reg

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What line would you take here?


Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (UTG): $10.65
MP: $21.77 (VPIP: 40.28, PFR: 26.39, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, hands: 74)
CO: $10.84 (VPIP: 23.44, PFR: 16.66, 3Bet Preflop: 6.73, Hands: 7,855)
BTN: $9.25 (VPIP: 30.36, PFR: 17.86, 3Bet Preflop: 8.68, Hands: 1,762)
SB: $10.15 (VPIP: 17.92, PFR: 14.14, 3Bet Preflop: 6.19, Hands: 1,667)
BB: $16.08 (VPIP: 21.07, PFR: 12.90, 3Bet Preflop: 1.73, Hands: 3,622)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has J:diamond: J:heart:

Hero raises to $0.30, fold, CO raises to $0.90, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.95, 2 players) 2:spade: 6:diamond: 3:spade:
Hero checks, CO bets $1.35, Hero calls $1.35

Turn: ($4.65, 2 players) 4:diamond:
Hero checks, CO bets $2.85, hero?,

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His preflop raise look strong though (based on the stat).Calling the turn would risk you being pot commited.Probably look like a fold on the turn imo.
 
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question is why did we flat villain oop... setmining oop is a jo no and we dont have the odds. due to us being utg he shouldnt be bluffing us.

if hes getting out of hand we can opt for a 4betting bluff which is better than flatting imo... but prolly folding is best to 3bet
 
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I think flatting pre is fine unless he rarely 3 bets an UTG open. I'm probably calling the turn and folding to a river shove. A lot of regs will only fire two streets with AQ/AK
 
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im looking at preflop before the flop ... ignore that flop we are going to be in tough spots by flatting oop

if we 4bet and he flats then we know on this board we should be good most of the time unless u run into guys qho play kk passively. but anyways they shove we fold and we found out $2.50 rather than finding out by stacking villain

but 4betting punishes ppl with ak and aq etc and lower pairs who cant find the fold button

funny i played a live hand lastnight and i had AA vilain had JJ similar board.. he ended up showing the JJ and folded on turn
 
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Totally standard to flat JJ pre and I am always folding that turn. If villain bluffs me with AsKs/AdKd then nice hand too him. You are going to see QQ+ a ton after villain barrels on this texture.
 
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Pre-flop: It's great you have so many hands on our opponent here, makes reading him so much easier! Would like to see some stats for post-flop seeing as you have such a big sample as well? So we can see he's a little on the loose side, and not overly aggressive. He's not a fish though.
Obviously we're fine raising JJ. When we get 3-bet I think he's fairly strong. Since he's 3-betting UTG his 3-bet is going to be less than 6.7%. If we go with a 4-5% range, that seems about right with a mix of value and bluffs. QQ+, AK, ATs, AJs, A2s-A4s, 65s.
Flatting is by far the best option for us here. At higher stakes I may 4-bet very occasionally (10% of the time) just for balancing and unpredictability, but I don't think that's necessary at 10NL so in probably flatting every time here.


Flop: The large sizing suggests he has some sort of hand here. It's conceivable he bets this size with 2 overs, but less likely. I do think he makes a bet with his entire range here though, apart from any pre-flop bluffs which have hit a 2 or 3, he may check them to get closer to showdown.
We still beat over cards and flush draws, so we should flat here.


Turn: This is a really good card to bluff on because it rarely hits out hand, and it makes the board very scary. I'm not convinced players at 10NL will pick up on that though. I don't think he fires on the turn with overs. He might have a flush draw, but that's less likely than QQ+. Also, we have to consider that if we are behind, because of how dangerous the board is, we have no implied odds if we do improve and the chances of us improving are so slim (5%). We should fold here.
 
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question is why did we flat villain oop... setmining oop is a jo no and we dont have the odds. due to us being utg he shouldnt be bluffing us.

if hes getting out of hand we can opt for a 4betting bluff which is better than flatting imo... but prolly folding is best to 3bet


Folding JJ to a single re-raise when we know that villain is 3-betting a fair few weaker hands than ours is a bad play. Yes, we're OOP but our hand is ahead of his range.
4-betting isn't great because he'll often play perfectly, folding when he's beat and continuing with a range that dominates us.
It's way too tight to be folding JJ here. We would have to have a read that the villain rarely 3-bets and is tight to make the fold.
 
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im looking at preflop before the flop ... ignore that flop we are going to be in tough spots by flatting oop

if we 4bet and he flats then we know on this board we should be good most of the time unless u run into guys qho play kk passively. but anyways they shove we fold and we found out $2.50 rather than finding out by stacking villain

but 4betting punishes ppl with ak and aq etc and lower pairs who cant find the fold button

funny i played a live hand lastnight and i had AA vilain had JJ similar board.. he ended up showing the JJ and folded on turn

John might dive in here and tell me I'm wrong. If you don't get comfortable playing 3 bet pots oop without initiative, you'll struggle at higher limits. It becomes really exploitable. I can start 3 betting ATC IP because I know you aren't ever flatting me.
 
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John might dive in here and tell me I'm wrong. If you don't get comfortable playing 3 bet pots oop without initiative, you'll struggle at higher limits. It becomes really exploitable. I can start 3 betting ATC IP because I know you aren't ever flatting me.

Spot on.

Just to add to this, we do want to flat LESS to 3-bets OOP than IP, but you should certainly have a flatting range. Just to give you some sort of idea. If I'm UTG and I get 3-bet by the CO I'll probably flat (in a vacuum) 88-JJ, AQs and AJs and 4-bet QQ+ and AK.
If I'm playing higher stakes games I'll mix it up a bit and also sometimes 4-bet ATs and KQs (about 30-40% of the time) but that's not necessary at 10NL.
 
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