$10 NLHE 6-max: Nuts on turn, Gross river, Villain wakes up.

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This is on Bovada and is my first hand on the table. So, absolutely no reads.

UTG+1: $10.45
BTN: $7.02
SB: $8.76
BB(Hero): $10.00
UTG: $13.23

Pre-Flop: ($0.10) Hero is dealt :kh4::qd4:
UTG calls $0.10, 2 folds, SB calls $0.05, Hero checks

Someone could probably argue for a raise here. They're probably right. But, I checked.​

Flop: ($0.30) :2c4::10h4::js4:
SB checks, Hero bets $0.20, UTG calls $0.20, SB calls $0.20

With two overs and an open-ended straight draw, in a limped pot, I feel like this is a spot where I have to bet.​

Turn: ($0.90) :2c4::10h4::js4::9h4:
SB checks, Hero bets $1.10, 1 fold, SB calls $1.10

I slightly overbet the pot here. A player that calls $0.90 will also call $1.10. This allows me to get more value on the river, if I get called.​

River: ($3.10) :2c4::10h4::js4::9h4::jh4:
SB bets $1.55, Hero pukes.

Ugh, what a disgusting river for us. I can't think of a worse card in the deck to hit and be led into on. I hate it, but I feel like this is a fold. We're getting a decent price, but we're almost never good 25% of the time here, right?

Do we just let this one go? Or do we make a crying call and hope to see SB here with a weird J-x?​
 
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This is a snap call and it's not even close.
 
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possible flush/FH, doubtful though. I would have went over the top of him, whether he calls or not, chances are you have the best hand. perfectly fine bet on the flop IMO. BB on the flop with a draw, i normally throw a bet in anyways to try to manipulate the pot and to test the water.
 
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Limped... Called the flop.... worried about the turn to see where he's at?... raises the river.

It smells like pocket 2's and he's put you on a flush/ straight draw... He's got his card on the river and bets to make sure he gets paid off.. It smells like 22's

Everytime I think lower suited connectors or lower end straights theres a couple ifs and buts... He could be totally bluffing you. ... I think 2's or bluff!



Over the top is just burning money... It's a flat call... Even higher levels of poker people are going to call this and your not going to fold better hands here. Perhaps if the hearts were paired on the board on the flop You would have a lot more fold equity here. The opponent if he has a lower end flush would have to believe he's good.

Your betting overthetop to fold better hands?... It's not the correct board imo
 
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Dont think theres an argument you shouldve raised pre. Id be isolating here with around 30% of my hands.
 
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Raise pre-flop. On the river it's close between shove or call. Shove is probably slightly more EV on bovada at these stakes, but too lazy to run any numbers honestly. He's short stacked, so probably not very good and will call with any Jx, and maybe even a T. Could very well also have 78 w/ how these guys play. Fyi, you will see a lot of "weird Jx". The guy limped, he's short, it's bovada.

Folding isn't an option even if your opponent was hypothetically one of the tightest of players honestly.
 
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Raise pre-flop. On the river it's close between shove or call. Shove is probably slightly more EV on bovada at these stakes, but too lazy to run any numbers honestly. He's short stacked, so probably not very good and will call with any Jx, and maybe even a T. Could very well also have 78 w/ how these guys play. Fyi, you will see a lot of "weird Jx". The guy limped, he's short, it's bovada.

Folding isn't an option even if your opponent was hypothetically one of the tightest of players honestly.
This. Half-pot bets are super weak enough that they can be anything else as often as they are flushes, plus people chronically underestimate just how incredibly frickin' rare flushes are (think about it: on a 3-flush board only a single combination of any two hole cards is a flush, vs 12 combos for a pair, 9 for two, 6 for a PP, 8 for trips, frickin' 3 for a set).

Honestly, folding to a half-pot bet is a really exploitative and REALLY exploitable thing to do, and shouldn't be done without a specific read that you're basically never good in a given spot. If Villain can bluff some minor % of the time and bet with worse another minor % of the time (which is pretty much always the case on that board) you HAVE to call.
 
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Folding is ridic here.

You have given flush draws improper odds to chase, so if he has it, let him have it

Doubt it's a set turning into a full house, sets would have been much more aggressive by the turn since a shitton of rivers can f it up.

Agree that many jx will be seen here, though I think barring opponent is a fish, shoving may not be the best option, don't think they will call with worse often.
And if the two options are close, i choose the lower variance route. Call.
 
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Monsters under the bed. Folding out of the question.
 
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For future reference:

1) Never check your option with a playable hand, especially not KQo and especially not against multiple opponents.

2) Don't bother dicking around with "standard" bets in a limped pot. With 4BB or less in pot, just bomb a full pot bet. People will usually let go of limped boards when faced with real aggression (nobody gives a toss about limped pots anyway), and you will pick them up most of the time. You don't even need to have anything.

3) for the love of God don't make it a habit to fold to half-pot bets. Unless you have something that doesn't even beat air you almost never have the correct odds to fold there, and a thinking opponent will take note of that tendency and bluff you a lot more often.
 
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