$10 NLHE 6-max: Nut flush draw + low pair against Aggression

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HUD isn't working so no stats. However villain is a decent player who has done what looks to be ABC poker so far without getting out of line.

Is the turn and river call okay? If he has a set, A/K then we are in trouble and not getting the pot odds we need (also reverse implied odds). Only other hands that I am getting good enough odds to call with is if he has K/J or a lower flush draw or 10/Q.

Also I figured we have to call river since we call turn and one of our outs hits.
Didn't want to raise because he is betting so strong.


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Hero (Button) ($12.39)
SB ($11.87)
BB ($10)
UTG ($14.14)
MP ($12.17)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4
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, A
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1 fold, MP bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 6
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, K
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, J
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(2 players)
MP bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.15) 4
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(2 players)
MP bets $2, Hero calls $2

River: ($6.15) A
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(2 players)
MP bets $5.90, Hero calls $5.90

Total pot: $17.95 | Rake: $0.81

Results below:
Hero had 4
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, A
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(two pair, Aces and fours).
MP had J
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, K
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(two pair, Kings and Jacks).
Outcome: Hero won $17.14
 
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I give serious thought to 3-betting pre if villain is a non-nit. These players tend to fold well, and you have several ways to make 2-pair+ if he does have a monster.

I'm fine with how the hand is played postflop. You could Baluga the turn, but I just keep calling against an unknown. Plus you rep little with a turn raise.
 
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I give serious thought to 3-betting pre if villain is a non-nit. These players tend to fold well, and you have several ways to make 2-pair+ if he does have a monster.

I'm fine with how the hand is played postflop. You could Baluga the turn, but I just keep calling against an unknown. Plus you rep little with a turn raise.

What types of hands can we 3 bet light? I am having trouble deciding, for example if we 3 bet A/4 light here, we do have the ace as a blocker but it will sometimes be dominated by higher aces as well. I always thought we should be 3 betting hands that can't be dominated such as 9/10s light?
 
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..if he was a nit he'd fold more to the 3bet.

never flat this pre.

if he flats OOP with better we're not tripling Axx board for value and going broke everytime so yeah, 3bet.
 
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What a sizing you opp does. Idk what he expects with his KJ on the river. But yeah frequently preflop 3bet may be an option here or a fold. But I like calling these type of hands in position against loose/bad players. Raising flop is a little scary right? I know raising draws is advantage. But thats just what I think.
 
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I 3bet bluff or fold this pre.
As played I raise the flop.
As played I fold the river.

QTs/AK/KJ/66/JJ/KK/AA makes up a sizeable 34 combos, the As and Ks being dead blocks almost all his MP flush draws which he isn't very likely to bluff anyway and just him opening from MP anyway gives him far less air from the word go which is why I don't flat this pre.

make a note on his bet sizing in case he doesn't play draws this way and to make it a sure thing that his lesser sized bets on this board will be mediocre value.
 
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nits are still positionally aware.
 
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As played probably station, but I feel gross about river bet.
 
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I 3bet bluff or fold this pre.
As played I raise the flop.
I'd like more thoughts here. What do we rep other than KJ, 66, and draws? Doesn't this board hit his range square in the face? Do you expect AK to fold to a flop raise?

Idk, in this spot we have position, a dominating draw, and what I perceive to be little fold equity. So I figured on the flop at least we should play this for implied.

If we wait til the turn, we rep a less drawy range. Probably doesn't matter at these stakes, but it was kinda how I thought about it.
 
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I'd like more thoughts here. What do we rep other than KJ, 66, and draws? Doesn't this board hit his range square in the face? Do you expect AK to fold to a flop raise?

Main thing is our flatting range here is pretty strong, we hold loads of equity against almost everything so don't need folds often.
All the QTo sorta hands that make this board really drawy we're never holding, I can't think of a better hand bar a straight flush draw to throw in to our non-value range.
 
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I'd like more thoughts here. What do we rep other than KJ, 66, and draws? Doesn't this board hit his range square in the face? Do you expect AK to fold to a flop raise?

Idk, in this spot we have position, a dominating draw, and what I perceive to be little fold equity. So I figured on the flop at least we should play this for implied.

If we wait til the turn, we rep a less drawy range. Probably doesn't matter at these stakes, but it was kinda how I thought about it.

You could baluga the turn but as you said it doesn't mean much at these stakes. You're never in terrible shape otf with two cards yet to peel. That being said, I'm fine with how it was played here. If we raise at any point than pre is the best time to do it (depending on stats).
 
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Don't raise the turn. Stop raising turns 100-125 BBs deep.
 
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if we raise the flop and he 3bets do we gii?
 
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Ok, cheers. How would u play this if say we had 98ss?

I'd flat, we don't have the equity to get it in when 3bet as we have no ace outs and get crushed by higher flush draws.
 
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Flat call on the flop, yes. You can make a good argument for folding ott.
 
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I'm a sucker for the nut flush draw... I would have played it very similar, and for the same reasons you gave in OP. Knowing the odds are not quite right be damned.....

However, I realize now how often I go broke on hands like this.

Oh yeah, you have to ignore villains rants about what a fish you are chasing that win.....
 
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I'd flat, we don't have the equity to get it in when 3bet as we have no ace outs and get crushed by higher flush draws.

If we raise flop and shoves when is our ace ever an out? Villain would only be getting it in with two pair+.
 
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If we raise flop and shoves when is our ace ever an out? Villain would only be getting it in with two pair+.

If you're sure he only ever shove 2 pair or better in response then you'd have to fold to the jam since you don't have enough equity here (and reconsider raising flop in the first place obv). If there's even a chance he also shoves worse draws sometimes then the ace is huge because you'd then have the best hand instead of being crushed by the draws he'll show up with by semi bluff jamming. It's true the value of the ace is somewhat mitigated by the K high flop but as the result of this very hand demonstrates, the A is still nice to have.
 
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As played I fold the river.

QTs/AK/KJ/66/JJ/KK/AA makes up a sizeable 34 combos

lol didn't realize we made 2pair thought we just had the ace.
Just flat calling. there are more AK,set and QTs combos than there are KJ.
 
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If we raise flop and shoves when is our ace ever an out? Villain would only be getting it in with two pair+.

If you're sure he only ever shove 2 pair or better in response then you'd have to fold to the jam since you don't have enough equity here (and reconsider raising flop in the first place obv). If there's even a chance he also shoves worse draws sometimes then the ace is huge because you'd then have the best hand instead of being crushed by the draws he'll show up with by semi bluff jamming. It's true the value of the ace is somewhat mitigated by the K high flop but as the result of this very hand demonstrates, the A is still nice to have.

This
 
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I don't actually like raise getting in A4s here, don't know if im wrong in thinking that is bad, but it just seems like we are somewhat turning the hand into a bluff by raise get it in here when the hand is so nice in our calling range, i would prefer raise getting it in with AQs or ATs. I think OP played it well.
 
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