$10 NLHE 6-max: No reads, what is your standard play here?

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pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($10)
MP ($16.24)
Button ($8.15)
SB ($5.41)
Hero (BB) ($10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K
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3 folds, SB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $0.95, SB calls $0.65

So obviously no reads, first hand i get dealt. The only read i had was this guy was a platinum star, meaning he likely plays a little more than the usual player. My usual play here would be to just call and play postflop, as i think players at this level play really straight forward and basically tell you what they have postflop. I think here, since he is short, either flat calling or folding may be the best option, folding just lets me get a few reads since i just got to the table. I think 3betting might not be the best route, since this guy is so short, but Ktoff really doesn't play that well postflop i dont think.

Since he is short, is 3betting smaller an option in these spots?

Anways i have a few more questions later on in the thread.
 
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What are you trying to accomplish by 3betting
 
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fine, he should be folding a lot. what's the flop.
 
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What are you trying to accomplish by 3betting

The usual stuff, win the pot without going to a flop, tell him my blind isn't for sale, my hand while it doesn't play that well plays well enough at this level to show a profit i believe. Like, i could just call and i'm sure it's profitable, but it's likely more profitable to 3bet as a lot of these players will just give up on the flop when they miss so often.
 
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fine, he should be folding a lot. what's the flop.

Flop: ($1.90) Q
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SB checks, Hero bets $1.25, SB calls $1.25


Turn: ($4.40) A
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SB checks, Hero?

It's probably not the greatest flop in the world, but as i mentioned, these guys seem to just fold a lot, so i tend to c-bet quite a bit.
 
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So you're bluffing with a hand that's likely to be ahead of his range?
 
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Flat like %100 of the time for me.

The usual stuff, win the pot without going to a flop, tell him my blind isn't for sale, my hand while it doesn't play that well plays well enough at this level to show a profit i believe. Like, i could just call and i'm sure it's profitable, but it's likely more profitable to 3bet as a lot of these players will just give up on the flop when they miss so often.

If it's profitable to flat KTo and not 58s, why not 3bet 58s instead?

We can still 3bet the crap out of wide sb openers, flat a good bunch, and not waste a good flatting hand like KTo IP here.
 
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Didn't notice he was short. Even 50bb deep I'm still flatting, but against true 20-40bb shortstackers our strategy should approach more of a 3bet or fold thing overall. I imagine it's a lot like typical STT play tbh.
 
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Cbet less on the flop ~$1, or just check.

Q-high flops are way better for his range than yours.
 
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Cbet less on the flop ~$1, or just check.

Q-high flops are way better for his range than yours.

Yeah i agree with this, I think i mentioned the board wasn't very good, and it's hard for him to just give up on a flop like this as he will probably call with overs and definitely with pair+draw type hands.

Chuck- Without a solid read, is this just a clear fold pre-flop? I'm just going by assumptions here, if i had a feel for how he played, i'm much happier just flatting, but i could just be throwing money away here by flat calling preflop as i really have no idea what to expect, (i assume he will c-bet flop and give up a lot, as loads of players do at this level).
 
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chuck never said to fold, he's saying to flat... Flatting may feel like you're burning money but it's very possible that sb is raising a really wide range. Since we have position it's much easier for us to take down the pot even though we don't have dominance. We can float flops because a lot of the time he'll give up on the turn and we can bluff or we can actually hit a hand and play pot control
 
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Chuck- Without a solid read, is this just a clear fold pre-flop?

No I flat always. Like bg said: we have position, superior skillz, and two big cards. Reads obviously change things.

Once he gets down to like 30-20bbs I guess I start folding. Just not enough room to manoeuoeuoeuuver.
 
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Flat preflop. Your hand in position will play well postflop.
 
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fyi just give up, if the guy can hand-read at all he'll know you can't rep a damn thing on the turn.
 
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fyi just give up, if the guy can hand-read at all he'll know you can't rep a damn thing on the turn.
hand reading from a 1\2 stack player at 10nl does not compute,,, error code 187459
Edit $1 cbet does the same thing like baudib said
 
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hand reading from a 1\2 stack player at 10nl does not compute,,, error code 187459
Agreed BUT expecting turn folds from 1/2 stackers at 10nl is equally silly.
 
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I think I almost never 3 bet there, I'm either flatting or folding. Pre flop of course.
 
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