$10 NLHE 6-max: Massive donk overshove multiway on the flop

jbbb

jbbb

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Aug 24, 2010
Total posts
1,384
Chips
0
No reads or showndown hands apart from an inkling villian might be a donk. Running 33/17 over 30 hands. Thoughts?

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, €0.10 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button (€14.07)
SB (€16.03)
BB (€7.16)
Hero (UTG) (€10.10)
MP (€6.39)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q
club.gif
, Q
diamond.gif

Hero bets €0.30, MP calls €0.30, 2 folds, BB calls €0.20

Flop: (€0.95) 4
diamond.gif
, 5
heart.gif
, 2
club.gif
(3 players)
BB bets €6.86 (All-In), Hero raises to €9.80 (All-In), 1 fold

Turn: (€14.67) 4
spade.gif
(2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (€14.67) 2
diamond.gif
(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: €14.67 | Rake: €0.73
 
KerouacsDog

KerouacsDog

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 26, 2006
Total posts
9,410
Chips
0
80% of time Im calling. 20% folding.
 
KerouacsDog

KerouacsDog

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 26, 2006
Total posts
9,410
Chips
0
you want why? ok, it depends on my mood. sometimes i think my QQ is crushing his preflop calling range, and now and again I think, hey, this ,guy called with A3soooted and hit big on flop. or some other crap like that like 44/55/22, all these hands will fit that flop play. getting it in on flop when you could be way behind and virtually drawing dead isnt fun for me, not sure about anybody else?
 
vanquish

vanquish

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Apr 26, 2007
Total posts
12,000
Chips
0
KD, what you're saying is extremely retarded
 
KerouacsDog

KerouacsDog

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 26, 2006
Total posts
9,410
Chips
0
sure is vanq. and you're not the first to say that. but you know what? I take in every bit of info here I can, how the proper play should be, and I think, well, thats fine if you wanna play ABC poker, but I dont wanna, I wanna play it my way, and if I go busto, then so be it, least i did it my way. but since i began playing ring back in April this year, Ive had a winning month every month, for a profit of 10.71bb/100 over a small sample size of 40k hands, and thats mixing 2nl up to 100nl HU. So Im happy with the way i play bud, im afraid. once I start losing longterm then I'll follow the sheep and play ABC poker.
 
WVHillbilly

WVHillbilly

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Nov 7, 2007
Total posts
22,973
Chips
0
you want why? ok, it depends on my mood. sometimes i think my QQ is crushing his preflop calling range, and now and again I think, hey, this ,guy called with A3soooted and hit big on flop. or some other crap like that like 44/55/22, all these hands will fit that flop play. getting it in on flop when you could be way behind and virtually drawing dead isnt fun for me, not sure about anybody else?
People have ranges, not single hands. So, if his range for doing this is, something like JJ-22, A5s, A3s, 65s, 43s, we have 65% equity and we call 100%.
 
WVHillbilly

WVHillbilly

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Nov 7, 2007
Total posts
22,973
Chips
0
sure is vanq. and you're not the first to say that. but you know what? I take in every bit of info here I can, how the proper play should be, and I think, well, thats fine if you wanna play ABC poker, but I dont wanna, I wanna play it my way, and if I go busto, then so be it, least i did it my way. but since i began playing ring back in April this year, Ive had a winning month every month, for a profit of 10.71bb/100 over a small sample size of 40k hands, and thats mixing 2nl up to 100nl HU. So Im happy with the way i play bud, im afraid. once I start losing longterm then I'll follow the sheep and play ABC poker.
And this is why your HA hands get moved to BBC quite often. You don't want analysis.
 
KerouacsDog

KerouacsDog

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 26, 2006
Total posts
9,410
Chips
0
yeah sure, but when someone donk-shoves like that you have to think, well, does he want a call or not? My answer? He wants a call. he's not afraid of your AA/KK/QQ cause he crushes it, so thats why donk-shoved.
As played, im thinking I could fold and be down by 30c, or call and win big, but also lose big.
hence, 20% of the time I fold.
and no, you dont put him on a range when he donk-shoves here, you put him on a hand that he would do it with, you narrow his range to what he donk-shoves with. 22/44/55/A3s all fit preflop play.
 
KerouacsDog

KerouacsDog

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 26, 2006
Total posts
9,410
Chips
0
And this is why your HA hands get moved to BBC quite often. You don't want analysis.

sure I dont, you go back over my K9 thread and i took every reply in and counter-argued as why i played that hand that way. I want analysis, i thrive on it, but i'm not gonna lay down like a little puppy and say 'hey you're right, and Im wrong', sorry but I argue my strategy. if its wrong so be it. and you've moved my other hands to BBC before? Do you do this to anyone else, or just me?
 
WVHillbilly

WVHillbilly

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Nov 7, 2007
Total posts
22,973
Chips
0
yeah sure, but when someone donk-shoves like that you have to think, well, does he want a call or not? My answer? He wants a call. he's not afraid of your AA/KK/QQ cause he crushes it, so thats why donk-shoved.
As played, im thinking I could fold and be down by 30c, or call and win big, but also lose big.
hence, 20% of the time I fold.
and no, you dont put him on a range when he donk-shoves here, you put him on a hand that he would do it with, you narrow his range to what he donk-shoves with. 22/44/55/A3s all fit preflop play.
Well if that's what you think his range is, wouldn't you be better to fold 100% of the time? I mean that against that range you have 9% equity so you're saying you call with 9% equity 80% of the time. Sounds horrible to me.
 
WVHillbilly

WVHillbilly

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Nov 7, 2007
Total posts
22,973
Chips
0
sure I dont, you go back over my K9 thread and i took every reply in and counter-argued as why i played that hand that way. I want analysis, i thrive on it, but i'm not gonna lay down like a little puppy and say 'hey you're right, and Im wrong', sorry but I argue my strategy. if its wrong so be it. and you've moved my other hands to BBC before? Do you do this to anyone else, or just me?
I move threads to BBC every single day.
 
KerouacsDog

KerouacsDog

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 26, 2006
Total posts
9,410
Chips
0
lol if I said i fold 100% of the time i would get ripped apart even more than I do. you look at everyone's HA, all friendly replies, i post 2 hands today and people come into the thread looking for action from me, firing me up. you even done it to me in PM, with your thinly-veiled threat lol.
Ive been up 22 hours now, feeling tired, so sorry if i sound cranky, but Im fed up of people attacking me when I have solid stats(albeit only 47K total(just checked its 47k and not 40k)) and a profit of 10.whatever bb/100, in my mind Ive proved I can play, no one goes on a heater for 8 months online, you know that. Now im getting coaching I'll improve even more, and will change my game if told to, and see what the results bring. end of rant.
 
bgomez89

bgomez89

Resident Thugmaster
Silver Level
Joined
Jan 3, 2009
Total posts
3,127
Chips
0
To kind of get this back on track why are you folding 20% of the time again?
 
Jurn8

Jurn8

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Jul 3, 2008
Total posts
5,348
Chips
0
sure I dont, you go back over my K9 thread and i took every reply in and counter-argued as why i played that hand that way. I want analysis, i thrive on it, but i'm not gonna lay down like a little puppy and say 'hey you're right, and Im wrong', sorry but I argue my strategy. if its wrong so be it. and you've moved my other hands to BBC before? Do you do this to anyone else, or just me?

so does this mean you take on the advice and try and not make the same mistakes or do you just keep playing your own way?

you seem to not like being wrong and are very stubborn over your hands, sometimes you have to admit your wrong and try to improve

EDIT: if you're cool with playing your way and not bothered about going busto or whatever im cool with that but I wont give you advice but if you want to improve + grind up the limits then thats also cool, im kinda unsure what your goals are
 
Last edited:
Jurn8

Jurn8

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Jul 3, 2008
Total posts
5,348
Chips
0
WV I'll ask you this once. what do you want me to do at CC? Be a sheep like 85% of the players here and play ABC poker and go with the crowd and say 'oh yes, I would play it like that too', 'oh, I agree with you' etc whilst grinding out 2bb/100 at 10nl every month , or do you want me to give my take on it, argue my corner and give people other options to the ABC line, whilst making 10bb/100 at every level I can play at from 2nl to 100nl, purely cos I love the game, and always wanna play?
Cause Im not even sure you want me at CC........................

ABC is the way to win and make money at your stakes
 
taaron

taaron

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Aug 10, 2011
Total posts
716
Chips
0
i like pokerz, its the most funnest game to be fun at
 
KerouacsDog

KerouacsDog

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 26, 2006
Total posts
9,410
Chips
0
so does this mean you take on the advice and try and not make the same mistakes or do you just keep playing your own way?

you seem to not like being wrong and are very stubborn over your hands, sometimes you have to admit your wrong and try to improve

jake, you know what? theres a few people i respect immensely at CC. Chuck is one, Fp is another, vanq is a legend end off, marginal too in his own way, and a few other ring players. you? anything you say i read, read again, and sometimes even make notes in a notebook i have along with tidbits from the aforementioned guys. what you say(from what Ive read) is 100% correct every time, and always thoroughly explained in a way that even a ring noobie like me understands. whatever you think of me, ive never had a problem with you, and from my point of view i never will.
but i have to constantly defend my actions against the haters, of which I have many, and you know why?
cos I love being a member of CC, always will. I have friends here, albeit a few, that we Pm each other every day, without fail, and they are also friends on FB, and follow me on twitter, and I them. The people i like here far outweight my haters, however many thousand there are, so thats why i stay. I back people in tournaments here, all the time, if they are low, you want names I'll give you names, but we keep it quiet. if they win they pay me back, if they lose so be it. And one key factor about how I play? I dont care for money, never have and never will, here, in poker, and real life. thats why I play without fear, cause I can. too many here play with scared money all the time. I jumped to 100nl yesterday, and took the guy down till he offered me 1000nl which i nearly had but not quite lol, but as i said, i dont play scared, i just play for fun, and constantly win.
anyway, 24 hours awake now, i need bed.
but jake, Ive never had an issue with you, and always take in any info you give out, and always will.
end of rant, again, Op, Im sorry for messing up thread.
 
KerouacsDog

KerouacsDog

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 26, 2006
Total posts
9,410
Chips
0
To kind of get this back on track why are you folding 20% of the time again?

sorry got caught up with another post. because sometimes it doesnt feel right, his play, and if Im drunk/merry/aggressive/way up on day etc I'll call lol. If im sober, I'll hit the time button and think the play thru, and narrow his range to what he could do this with, and whether he will bluff me there, which is 0% of the time. so sober, Im pretty sure my QQ is good, but not 100% of the time, more like 80%, hence the 20% fold.
 
Top