$10 NLHE 6-max: Line check 300bb deep

I'd been 3betting the CO raiser a bit (he's a reg from what I can gather) so elected to just flat call IP vs him; SB is a fish; so with the price I was getting I decided to call IP.

Firstly; is raising this flop ok (also sizing?)given the TP + gut shot + nut flush draw? Whilst on that subject; because we're so deep - if he came over the top would calling be bad in that spot? (Just for future reference if something similar ever happens)


I just want to know what do we do on the turn given we was the aggrsor on the flop and he takes a half pot bet on the turn...kinda an annoying spot..how to we proceed?



PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $24.65
UTG: $10.00
CO: $34.95
Hero (BTN): $29.36
SB: $24.88

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10, BB posts ante $0.02, UTG posts ante $0.02, CO posts ante $0.02, Hero posts ante $0.02, SB posts ante $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.25) Hero has A:club: 3:club:

fold, CO raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, SB raises to $0.60, fold, CO calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

Flop: ($2.00, 3 players) 2:club: 5:club: A:spade:
SB bets $1.70, CO calls $1.70, Hero raises to $4.50, SB calls $2.80, fold

Turn: ($12.70, 2 players) 9:diamond:
SB bets $6.10, Hero ....

Raising the flop is fine and I don't mind the small sizing here much even though I'd be over 5 most liekly in game. At 250 effective you have to call even if he 3bet jams as you're never folding on this flop. Shoving is ok when he bets the turn and if he's folding better aces then that's the play I'd advocate. Even deep my guess would be that he's not folding AK or AQ to a turn jam (or to a river bet in the face of a 4, 3 or club for that matter) so with that in mind and because this isn't a spot where you need to worry much about an inferior hand outdrawing you, calling his bet is probably a better decision. Just don't fold obv.

DunningKruger said:

Raising the flop is fine and I don't mind the small sizing here much even though I'd be over 5 most liekly in game. At 250 effective you have to call even if he 3bet jams as you're never folding on this flop. Shoving is ok when he bets the turn and if he's folding better aces then that's the play I'd advocate. Even deep my guess would be that he's not folding AK or AQ to a turn jam (or to a river bet in the face of a 4, 3 or club for that matter) so with that in mind and because this isn't a spot where you need to worry much about an inferior hand outdrawing you, calling his bet is probably a better decision. Just don't fold obv.

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Everything here.

Calling turn is fine because I think we still have implied odds, he'll be hard pressed to fold on many of our gin cards.

u r getting pretty good odds(implied odds inclueded) to call so for me its a call.

Thanks for the replies guys

3:1 You have to call.It is standard. The interesting part IMO is if you can extract more money from that guy on the river if you hit. The draws are so obvious.

ram , i personally dont like the reraise on the flop. firstly because i like to let them hang themselves. Secondly because i dont think i will be getting him to fold the ace. Since he's the preflop aggressor,and hes a fish, it might be safe to assume he has an ace in his hand that he isnt willing to let go. Id take a more pot controlling approach till i hit what im trying to hit and then try to extract some value on turn or river depending on whether i hit or not. Right now u are semi bluffing so in my opinion flatting flop bet is best for alittle pot control.

Just how id play it. Esp when he bets 1.70 on the flop and u say hes a fish,thats like a pretty straightforward sign that he has AA or AK or at best KK and fires one good shot to see if hes good or not. JUST FLAT, IMO on flop and be able to see a cheaper river since turn didnt get there and you dont really have much yet.

With 12 clean outs you have close-to-correct pot odds to call and you have massive IOs so obv this is never ever a fold.

vinylspiros said:

Just how id play it. Esp when he bets 1.70 on the flop and u say hes a fish,thats like a pretty straightforward sign that he has AA or AK or at best KK and fires one good shot to see if hes good or not. JUST FLAT, IMO on flop and be able to see a cheaper river since turn didn't get there and you dont really have much yet.

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If he has AA/AK then you're the favourite to win this pot, so raising for value otf is fine. You take the betting initiative, and in most cases can decide whether to check back the turn or what sizing you want to use. I know in this hand that doesn't happen as villain makes an unusual fish like play of flat calling the raise and then leading ott for just under ½ (maybe he binked top 2 lol).

Anyway, how flat calling the flop bet impacts your overall ev depends on how much you can get out of bare aces when you improve (factoring in various board run outs) and the probability of you making a river mistake when you don't. Even though not raising the flop here may in fact work out better in a vacuum depending on the player, in a general sense your mindset shouldn't necessarily be to play your hand as cheaply as possible if you have a really strong draw. Players will turn over worse draws that you crush a pretty significant amount of the time in those situations when stacks go in.