€10 NLHE 6-max: Line check plz

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 30/26/6

IPoker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - IPoker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($10.31)
MP ($11.77)
CO ($10.86)
Hero (Button) ($10)
SB ($10.57)
BB ($14.30)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 8
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, 7
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1 fold, MP bets $0.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds
Flop: ($0.75) 9
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, 10
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, J
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(2 players)
MP bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40
Turn: ($1.55) 10
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(2 players)
MP bets $0.90, Hero calls $0.90
River: ($3.35) 4
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(2 players)
MP bets $1.90, Hero calls $1.90
Total pot: $7.15

Hey, Just wanting to get this checked, my thoughts on the flop were to wait for the turn and if no K,Q or A then just try to get it in, the T comes and that changes things imo as now its gonna be pretty hard to get called by anything I beat, i keep this thinking on the river and just call down.

Was my thinking right through this hand, should I have put a raise in anywhere, theres sd value on the river to call this right?
 
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orangepeeleo said:
Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 30/26/6

IPoker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - IPoker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($10.31)
MP ($11.77)
CO ($10.86)
Hero (Button) ($10)
SB ($10.57)
BB ($14.30)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 8
spade.gif
, 7
spade.gif

1 fold, MP bets $0.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds
Flop: ($0.75) 9
heart.gif
, 10
club.gif
, J
diamond.gif
(2 players)
MP bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40
Turn: ($1.55) 10
spade.gif
(2 players)
MP bets $0.90, Hero calls $0.90
River: ($3.35) 4
club.gif
(2 players)
MP bets $1.90, Hero calls $1.90
Total pot: $7.15

Hey, Just wanting to get this checked, my thoughts on the flop were to wait for the turn and if no K,Q or A then just try to get it in, the T comes and that changes things imo as now its gonna be pretty hard to get called by anything I beat, i keep this thinking on the river and just call down.

Was my thinking right through this hand, should I have put a raise in anywhere, theres sd value on the river to call this right?
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Raise the flop. So much in his range that will be willing to play for stacks on that flop. Honestly if you're not willing to get it in on the flop, just fold pre which considering his wide range is probably your best play anyway.
 
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Yeah please raise flop. Any 7, 8, 9, T, J, Q or K on the turn either kills your action to varying degrees and/or leaves you unsure of where you stand, and that's like half the deck. Get the money in while (a) you know there's a great chance you're ahead and (b) while villain might be tempted to stack off with his overpair/TPTK/TP and straight draw combo/whatever.
 
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Id raise for sure and i would make it big. These guys will call large raises. I would make it at least $2
 
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I prefer 3-bet pre. As played echo what everyone said, raise flop and try and get stacks in.
 
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Ok so get it in on the flop, ignoring that, does the T change things on the turn or are we still getting it in? AS PLAYED, after the flop what are we doing?

There's no way I'm 3betting this pre btw, don't get enough folds, fold pre is prob how I'd play this now I think as wv is spot on saying his range is too wide.
 
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my db at 10NL showed profit for all 3-bet suited connecters (45s or better) from the button. 3-bet>fold>call. 3-bet shouldn't be mandatory but unless you manage to turn this hand into -ev somehow then it is clearly better than folding. His range is weak and you have the button, as good a time as any to attack his weak range, even bad players no not to call 3-bets OOP and you get more folds than you seem to think plus you take it away on alot of flops plus pick up equity along the way if he calls pre-flop.
 
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BlueNowhere said:
my db at 10NL showed profit for all 3-bet suited connecters (45s or better) from the button. 3-bet>fold>call. 3-bet shouldn't be mandatory but unless you manage to turn this hand into -ev somehow then it is clearly better than folding. His range is weak and you have the button, as good a time as any to attack his weak range, even bad players no not to call 3-bets OOP and you get more folds than you seem to think plus you take it away on alot of flops plus pick up equity along the way if he calls pre-flop.
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His stats indicate he's pretty aggro so I'd definitely want to look at how he responds to a 3bet before making that the default play here but I agree 3betting is certainly better than flatting.

As for how to play the turn / river, the board pairing really doesn't change that much as far as our hand strength relative to his range but it does change the range he stacks with. I'd still like to get a raise in somewhere though. Maybe a silly little river min raise or something.
 
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Yea I'm not brainlessly 3-betting against anyone but readless on how he repsonds to 3-bets then I'm happy enough to 3-bet this. Also without knowing number of hands AF is based on it's hard to bring that into reasoning.
 
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I'm def not 3betting this guy ever unless he has a really high f3bet. As played raise the flop. This hits a lot of his range and in general, aggro people hate to be played back at and will do dumb shit
 
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Fold pre/ Raise flop. Don't slowplay straights there so horribly vulnerable especially the bottom end.

Any J/T/9/Q/K may put you behind. Any 7 or 8 may scare villain off. Get the money in asap.

As for pre if you know how the guy plays inside out I'm sure its fine but it's 10NL you don't need to be playing any old junk vs MP opens, if you have time to do this you should probably tighten up and open another table or two.
 
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I flat pre and raise a ton of flops, especially this one.

Turning a really good floppable hand into a bluff by 3-betting is sort of wasting it.
 
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Raise flop. Raises 6% pre includes a lot of overpairs and sets which are willing to get it in on the flop.
 
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jbbb said:
Raise flop. Raises 6% pre includes a lot of overpairs and sets which are willing to get it in on the flop.
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Raises 26% pre . His AF is 6. I wouldn't be advocating 3-bet if his range was that strong.
 
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BlueNowhere said:
Raises 26% pre . His AF is 6. I wouldn't be advocating 3-bet if his range was that strong.
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Oh yeah my bad. I don't read other peoples comments usually however I wouldn't 3bet this against this player i'd prefer more value hands that can actually flop decent pairs (assuming his F3B is low, which it probably is looking at his stats).
 
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