$10 NLHE 6-max: Line check and any streets you would've played different?

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Villian is very bad. Bet 10x pot on river one hand and has generally just been spewy on every street. Took about $3 off me when I had QQ, A hit flop, min raised my continuation bet and then shoved turn (I folded then).

3xpre standard raise, I could do 4x but standard at this table as well as what I've done every other hand I've raised pre it was 3x so I stuck with that. continuation bet as I've done every hand I've raised. I then check the turn to get value from his bluffs and I figure I keep some Kx hands in that won't fold whether I carry on betting or take this line, maybe should've raised bigger although I plan on shoving most river cards so I don't think it really matters whether I go for $1.20 or $1.50 as I plan on putting him all in on river.

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (UTG) ($11.97)
MP ($4.56)
Button ($10.10)
SB ($7.46)
BB ($17.62)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K
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, A
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Hero bets $0.30, MP calls $0.30, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 4
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, 2
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, K
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(2 players)
Hero bets $0.58, MP calls $0.58

Turn: ($1.91) 3
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(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.60, Hero raises to $1.30, MP calls $0.70

River: ($4.51) 8
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(2 players)
Hero bets $2.39, MP calls $2.38 (All-In)

Total pot: $9.27 | Rake: $0.45
 
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Why are you check/raising the turn. Just bet.
 
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To let him think I bet the flop with air and I can get small value from his bluffs. I thought if I bet I fold out all his bluffs but check/raise I get value from bluffs and Kx that call the check/raise anyway.
 
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If he's a fish he's going to call it off anyway. I'd just bet all three streets and not miss the chance to get value wherever
 
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C-R turn is bad.

If he were deeper, b/f turn (or maybe b/c) would be optimal but I don't think you can fold with him this short without a stronger read so overall getting it all in the middle against this guy is fine.
 
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Do I not want to let him bet with his bluffs and then extract value from his made hands? He's very spewy but he's not going to call bet/bet/bet with air as he has folded some hand. In the end he had A3o and I won pot (which shows how spewy he is)

Playing mostly HU hyper turbos have encouraged this sort of play.
 
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wat, no. everyone at NL10 calls way more than they bluff. trying to induce here is FPS, just value-bet the shit out of your value hands and re-eval any time they raise you. FWIW I wouldn't try to check to induce against anyone in this spot, you always have far more worse hands calling than betting.

If this were a HU match I'd just bet/bet/shove.
 
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At what level should we start checking to induce?

HU people love spewing on the turn and will commit half their stack with a bet to try and steal which usually proves catastrophic which is why I like using this line to get value in hyper-turbos.
 
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I don't know, higher than levels I've ever played. I don't c/c turns and rivers very much, c/r turns should be done rarely/never.
 
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So it's a leak if I do this at 25NL as well I take it. I'll bear that in mind.
 
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Yeah the c/r is bad here. The 3 isn't a scare card for him so he probably calls a turn bet with whatever he called the flop with. You're going to hate yourself of you do this move and get 3bet.
 
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I was thinking about this hand as I was coming home, it kinda bugged me.

The turn CR is sort of a sick move. But we're not getting value from his bluffs, we're forcing him to narrow his range down to value hands, some of which beat us, and hands that have equity. Single-spade hands aren't really going to be that common on this board texture and you're making it really hard for him to continue with, say, KQ hearts.

If he's really going to bluff a lot then you could make an argument for c/c c/c but mostly we should just bet/bet against 90% of villains at this level.
 
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I was thinking about this hand as I was coming home, it kinda bugged me.

The turn CR is sort of a sick move. But we're not getting value from his bluffs, we're forcing him to narrow his range down to value hands, some of which beat us, and hands that have equity. Single-spade hands aren't really going to be that common on this board texture and you're making it really hard for him to continue with, say, KQ hearts.

If he's really going to bluff a lot then you could make an argument for c/c c/c but mostly we should just bet/bet against 90% of villains at this level.

But being very spewy I crush alot of his range that he thinks he can get value from. We do get value that we wouldn't have got if we bet the turn from his bluffs but I take on board what you say about making it hard for him to continue with some hands.
 
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You make it sound like his range contains alot of hands that will bluff turn but I don't think that's the case. Even if that's true, why would you c/r? Wouldn't it be better to c/c since we call with a hand that is ahead of his range whereas when we raise he folds out all his bluffs?
 
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cant argue pre-flop, flop or river play ... i guess it's just the turn where there could be a question, since it's a value move, so the straight bet is probably the technically correct play or even check-call but there is that flush draw, but naturally we are just looking at one hand, your read on the player probably made you think you could extract more the way you did it
 
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You make it sound like his range contains alot of hands that will bluff turn but I don't think that's the case. Even if that's true, why would you c/r? Wouldn't it be better to c/c since we call with a hand that is ahead of his range whereas when we raise he folds out all his bluffs?

Well my thinking was c/r would leave me with the initiative on the river so I could just put him all in, I didn't really fancy donking out on the river and I risked him just checking down which I didn't want if I checked to him on river

I'm probably thinking too much into his actions but I believed he could float flop with the intention of taking it away on turn which I then gave him only to re-raise him to polarise my range (obviously weighted more towards the nuts but I do this a decent amount HU with air to good affect) and then merge my range on the river by betting out so he could call me down quite wide with like 88 or K7 or something,. I'm probably just way overthiking it though as he probably just calls bet/bet/bet whatever cards come but I have a tendancy to completely overthink hands and ending up in a bad way. Hence me taking a strange line against a very bad opponent.
 
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Yeah no point in polarizing then merging your range against a drooler, he doesn't get it anyway.

If you think he's going to bluff the turn or try and take it down with some kind of middle pair, I'd much prefer to c/c then donk some rivers with a 1/2pot bet or something small that he can call wide with
 
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Yeah don't really like c/c here either with 3 to the flush on board and no spade in hand. Just bet the turn.
 
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Yea I think I'll stick with keeping it simple next time and not try a load of fancy play on turn.
 
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for sure if he's floating wide then valuebet the bejeezus out of him.
 
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Yeah don't really like c/c here either with 3 to the flush on board and no spade in hand. Just bet the turn.

Definitely agree. Im like always better the turn. Just letting him know that I think betting>>>>>>>>>>>c/c>>c/r
 
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I think i need to take c/r turn at cash out of my arsenal for now then
 
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