$10 NLHE 6-max: Limp re-raise from SuperNova?

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25/13 over 350 hands. 3-bet 6% any more stats wanted just ask.
He's played 24 tables and is SuperNova. Seems solid

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, €0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO (€10.15)
Button (€15.47)
Hero (SB) (€11.59)
BB (€15.61)
UTG (€12.82)
MP (€16.91)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A
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, K
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UTG calls €0.10, 1 fold, CO bets €0.50, 1 fold, Hero calls €0.45, 1 fold, UTG raises to €1.90, 1 fold, Hero?

So flat, fold or raise or shove?
 
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Whats your reason for not 3 betting CO?
 
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CO seemed like a solid tag. 15/15. I sometime flat or sometimes raise AK in sb depending on who i'm against. I didn't particularly want to play AK oop in a 3b pot against what seemed to be a solid player. Plus it underreps my hand a little and keeps in his Ax such as AT which he may be iso'ing with.
 
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limp re-raising is weird and very strong a lot of the time even when fish do it and i'd think especially from people who arent complete retards like supernova boy here. 1 thing for sure though is a supernova playing 24 tables of 10nl is definitely not solid. Limp reraising UTG alone makes you not solid. Question is stack or fold? would be easier to make a decision if we 3bet the co but it is also possible that you had a good reason to just flat the co's raise.

I can see flatting the co's raise giving UTG guy a good reason to kind of squeeze us here, i mean his line looks v. strong but why would a 24 tabling robot auto limp KK, AA? Maybe he does, i dont know but he's playing 24 tables so he isn't mixing his game up a lot and will be robotic for a lot of his game. As it stands AKs is good against 6% 3bet range, but small sample size too. I probably just get it in here and forget about it, a lot of the time we're flipping i guess and we should get enough folds too when he's just squeezing us with shit.

Now i think about it what does a 24 tabling robot limp with UTG? all i could imagine is he always limps smallish pocket pairs or limps monsters, really he shouldnt be limping any of the time. now im confused, was there any reason for him to limp a monster here? like were there a few maniac droolers raising all the time at ure table or something?
 
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acky100 said:
limp re-raising is weird and very strong a lot of the time even when fish do it and i'd think especially from people who arent complete retards like supernova boy here. 1 thing for sure though is a supernova playing 24 tables of 10nl is definitely not solid. Limp reraising UTG alone makes you not solid. Question is stack or fold? would be easier to make a decision if we 3bet the co but it is also possible that you had a good reason to just flat the co's raise.

I can see flatting the co's raise giving UTG guy a good reason to kind of squeeze us here, i mean his line looks v. strong but why would a 24 tabling robot auto limp KK, AA? Maybe he does, i dont know but he's playing 24 tables so he isn't mixing his game up a lot and will be robotic for a lot of his game. As it stands AKs is good against 6% 3bet range, but small sample size too. I probably just get it in here and forget about it, a lot of the time we're flipping i guess and we should get enough folds too when he's just squeezing us with shit.

Now i think about it what does a 24 tabling robot limp with UTG? all i could imagine is he always limps smallish pocket pairs or limps monsters, really he shouldnt be limping any of the time. now im confused, was there any reason for him to limp a monster here? like were there a few maniac droolers raising all the time at ure table or something?
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lol welcome to my world. Your whole post just summed up my thought process in the exact way I thought it.
I'm going to be playing with this guy a lot so although a shove is probably bad for 100BB, it does give me a lot of information if he shows up with AA. Also I had the idea he was trying to pull some weird reverse squeeze kinda thing just 'coz but I don't think that move exists (yet).
 
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Haha its still troubling me. wtf. thing is im shoving there and if he has AA so ****ing be it lol. Like i say, AK is good against almost any hand and if he has AA then we know he's a ***** and we know how he plays AA. Im just a tilt monkey and i take it personally against all fellow regulars so thats why i'd spazz shove. Seriously just fold in spots like this though where you're really unsure of what to do, its 5bb, it's not gonna hurt too much. I'm just drunk and like getting 1 over on supernovas. :)
 
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3bet pre even though you think CO is solid. His range is wide, especially with the limper.

25/13s aren't really solid but after is limp/raise, i'm out
 
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Haven't read other responses, but I fold. 1) We could be crushed/flipping if he calls (most likely AA imo), and 2) AK aint all dat and whiffs all day long, so flatting is a disaster too, and still are we ever 'happy' getting it in on a Kxx flop with the previous action in the hand? Answer = no.

Also I would have 3bet pre there because he's isoing so you take it down PF with a 3bet a LOT imo. Although I guess you were looking to disguise your hand strength and have him value own himself with KJ on a Kxx board type thing? Dunno about that OOP. I do that IP sometimes though.
 
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Cafeman31 said:
Haven't read other responses, but I fold. 1) We could be crushed/flipping if he calls (most likely AA imo), and 2) AK aint all dat and whiffs all day long, so flatting is a disaster too, and still are we ever 'happy' getting it in on a Kxx flop with the previous action in the hand? Answer = no.
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After the hand played out this is now my view in future hands. If it happens again I can easily fold. BTW it was AA so nice read.
Also I would have 3bet pre there because he's isoing so you take it down PF with a 3bet a LOT imo. Although I guess you were looking to disguise your hand strength and have him value own himself with KJ on a Kxx board type thing? Dunno about that OOP. I do that IP sometimes though.
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I'm still not convinced about 3bing or flatting in SB. I was trying to look for answers on 2+2 yesterday but couldn't find much. I pretty much flatted for the reasons you stated and i'm more likely to 3b in position because i don't mind it so much when I miss.
 
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Never saw a limp/raise that wasn't AA. Seems to be a cute thing to do. That and having initiative, flopping a set and instead of cbetting, c/r'ing...
 
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jbbb said:
I'm still not convinced about 3bing or flatting in SB. I was trying to look for answers on 2+2 yesterday but couldn't find much. I pretty much flatted for the reasons you stated and i'm more likely to 3b in position because i don't mind it so much when I miss.
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3bet with AK here to bluff out better hands preflop. Also it's hard to get value OOP if we flat when we hit an A or a K usually.
 
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I guess 3betting w/AK is kind of a two-way bet, but really it's for value. 3bet 3bet 3bet. Give me one argument not to.
 
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