$10 NLHE 6-max: KK with weird board, what would you do?

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PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $4.85 (VPIP: 25.53, PFR: 8.51, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 49)
SB: $4.73 (VPIP: 15.56, PFR: 7.78, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 93)
Hero (BB): $16.99
UTG: $10.64 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 13.44, 3Bet Preflop: 3.03, Hands: 263)
MP: $14.93 (VPIP: 21.54, PFR: 9.23, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 66)
CO: $16.91 (VPIP: 80.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has K:diamond: K:club:

fold, MP raises to $0.25, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.90, MP calls $0.65

Flop: ($1.85, 2 players) T:heart: A:club: 2:diamond:
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: ($1.85, 2 players) 6:diamond:
Hero checks, MP bets $0.97, Hero calls $0.97

River: ($3.79, 2 players) Q:diamond:
Hero checks, MP bets $2.35, Hero ????
 
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I fold the river. We under repped our hand, and C/C on the turn is fine, but River, naaa. I'm out. He probably caught up somehow.... if we call, expect to be beat loads.
 
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This is annoying situation, because even though I agree with @Bean to fold, theoretically you should call. Lol, if that makes sense. Only reason to fold is to do exploitable fold because of the player or the general tendencies of the limit.
 
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I'm new to poker, but in this situation I would have folded. Given the fact that the board is composed a pair of aces, flush and Straight. Little chance to win the hand.
 
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dude had a flush - or at least repping a flush - im folding
 
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We could turn our KK into a bluff with a nice healthy raise on the river. We have the perfect hand for it. Kind of depends on villain though and if you think he likes to fold
 
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We could turn our KK into a bluff with a nice healthy raise on the river. We have the perfect hand for it. Kind of depends on villain though and if you think he likes to fold

im listening :) please more detail.
 
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im listening :) please more detail.

Well, it is probably spew. But with out blockers to straights/flushes/TPTK makes it a decent spot and with pre and flop action I think the strongest hand we run into is AQs. He could have turned a flush draw and bet it but I think it is unlikely and the river looks more like a thin value bet against our weak line. While we can have hands like KdQd, AQ, Adxd, QQ. I would for sure need more stats before I attempt something like this such as villains fold to 3bet%, AFq, 4bet%.

Probably not the best play though, but sometimes turning our hand into a bluff is better than hero calling and is just something to think about adding to your game.
 
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my friend! After this flop, I generally do not put! I would Checa all the streets! it all depends on the opponent as he bids to supply and simple math! What range and so well!
 
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I would fold as played. He has a lot of AdXd hands here. His turn bet sizing of 1/2 pot seems a little small to be extracting value. Perhaps even c/r the turn. I think he has connected on the river and is betting for value.
 
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You forgot the most important piece of information in order to get good feedback and advice. What his aggression?

What was the plan for this hand when you checked the flop?
 
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which aggression stat should i add to my hud?? i think atm i got afq
 
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This is probably fold, but like was said, it hardly depends what u know about your villain, think he weird played some AQ, QQ also 'cause check on flop, and then he start betting, river is value bet for sure.
 
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which aggression stat should i add to my hud?? i think atm i got afq

No idea what, but here are the standard ones:

WWSF%, AF, AFq, VPIP, PFR, Difference VPIP PFR, Donk, Fold to CB

Btw wihout AFq, AF is hard to analyze without larger amount of hands.
 
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I'm a little surprised you posted this hand. It's a standard wa/wb spot. You played it fine, on the river call if he's aggro and fold if he's passive.
I'd fold here AQ QQ abounds and sizing suggests he's looking for a call.
Add agg % to your hud and take out AF. The latter is useless for low hand numbers usually encountered in zoom.
A river bluff would be a little odd after checking flop and turn don't like it much but with the flush dropping in it might work. Puts AQ in a tough spot but with your general level of agg I'd probably snap call you.
 
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fig yeha i know standard but every so often ill post these just to make sure i have the basics right.
 
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In this situation I think he may have AQ or maybe AJ and thats why he checked the flop. In order to make the correct decision we need more stats on the villian, but the problem is that we only have 66 hands, and its a very small sample. From what I can induce from his current stats and NL10 level I think you should fold the turn. Lets put him a fair calling range to the 3bet. 77+ AJ+ATs+KQs. I think that with JJ-KK he would play for a cheap showdown on the river. He can be slowplaying AA. After you check the flop and turn, he might think his Ax (from the range above) is good and he is value betting. Maybe with 77-TT and KQs he could bluff, but would he bluff 2 streets?? There's not much information to answer this, so my guess is that he has Ax. The river is an easy fold, but the turn? I think so, but it would be interesting to have more information on him
 
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Foold on the river
all draw are closed
 
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I think this is a fold against most opponents unless they are aggressive post flop or there is recent history in this situation.

Given the pre-flop stats (although on a limited number of hands) they appear to lean to a more passive style. If you assume that they are consistent with their pre-flop passiveness then they are unlikely to bet worse hands or bluff in this spot.

Also based on your line it might be quite clear to MP that you are looking to get to showdown.
 
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I think this is a fold against most opponents unless they are aggressive post flop or there is recent history in this situation.

Given the pre-flop stats (although on a limited number of hands) they appear to lean to a more passive style. If you assume that they are consistent with their pre-flop passiveness then they are unlikely to bet worse hands or bluff in this spot.

Also based on your line it might be quite clear to MP that you are looking to get to showdown.

Yeah this is why i hate checking on flop... i guess it depends what type of mistakes villain does..

Checking we wsnt opponents overvalueing their pp

I guess betting we want them to make folding mistakes
 
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