$10 NLHE 6-max: KK vs Drawy flop raise

OK, I am posting a lot lately where I believe it is kinda "so fkn obvious" what to do, but want to make sure that it actually IS so, and not just in my narrow mindset........

poker stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1685889
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BTN: $11.36 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 5.5, hands: 97
SB: $10.41 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 18, 3B: 4, AF: 9.0, Hands: 158
BB: $10.74 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 9, 3B: 1, AF: 2.4, Hands: 800
Hero (UTG): $10.56 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 12, 3B: 4, AF: 2.5, Hands: 181302
MP: $12.53 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 5, 3B: 2, AF: 3.3, Hands: 134
CO: $23.13 - VPIP: 62, PFR: 3, 3B: 3, AF: 1.1, Hands: 95

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with K :heart: K :diamond:
Hero raises to $0.40, 1 fold, CO calls $0.40, 1 fold, SB calls $0.35, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.30) 9 :spade: T :spade: Q :club: (3 players)
SB bets $0.90, Hero ??

Completly standard for the SB to donk his value range here regardless of strength. Value towning the fish is too important to allow you to check behind, which is going to happen quite often as your not going to be bluffing this flop multiway vs a fish very often.

Whether to flat or not is close cut. The boards pretty scary and not the type we want to be playing a mere pair with three way. Having said that we're not afraid of the jack, and the SB will rarely have 8s in his range.

I'm going to raise, the fish is that bad Jx/spades/Qx probably calls anyway. The board is wet enough to keep SBs AQ/KQ hands in, he's unlikely to play T9o/QTo/Q9o and we negate KJ somewhat.

Can't say I mind flatting either. Our hand may be very vulnerable but keeping a fish in isn't a bad thing and setting ourselves up to get stacks in vs a reg on this board isn't exactly printing money as many regs will fold KQ/AQ here.

Thing with flatting is it's likely going to remain 3way if the fish stays which is a little uncomfortable as it gives us an identical dilema on the turn.
If the fish goes our chance to raise is now on the turn which looks a lot stronger, that and we may scare off villains weaker hands if a scary draw card lands, and draws get a free card also.

Yeah, I'd flat to keep the fish in. If SB's range is sets/Qx/KJ/huge draws like AJss we won't be super happy when the money goes in, especially if he can fold AQ here.

and draws get a free card also.

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What free card? If SB's on a draw, he paid for the next card, it doesn't really matter if he bets it or we bet it.

baudib1 said:

What free card? If SB's on a draw, he paid for the next card, it doesn't really matter if he bets it or we bet it.

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Semi bluffing isn't really the same as having to put money in against your will as you get fold equity. Personally I intrepate someone not raising me when I'm betting a draw as a free card as I see my bet as beneficial to me and not a payment per se.

But ye maybe my intrepation is confusing/unconventional. A cheap card? A discount card?
Basically what I meant is we're letting the hand go as he planned vs draws were he sets the price. He wants call or folds. Raises are not a welcome site.

OK, say I flat, the fish folds and an 8d turns. V checks,

I cant check behind here. So what bet size is correct? Lets say I go 1/2 pot $1.50 and V snap c/r to $4,50.

Why can't you check behind? fold to c-r.

fletchdad said:

OK, say I flat, the fish folds and an 8d turns. V checks,

I cant check behind here. So what bet size is correct? Lets say I go 1/2 pot $1.50 and V snap c/r to $4,50.

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I check and bet the river. We can mostly rule out spade draws and made straights as villain checked. I can't see us getting two streets of value so I think we look the most bluffy if we bet the river, were going to get more calls seeing as villain doesn't have to fear having his bluff catcher double barreled.

It also gives us the oppurtunity to fold the river as Qx is rarely going for value there whilst we already established villain next to never has air based on his flop actions and that villain next to never has a busted flush draw due to his turn actions.

Check behind and go for thin value if he checks river.

I can see this going two ways. call behind flop and turn but give up river if he triple barrels, or raise on the flop and give up if he continues.

I say raise because I know some regs like his are capable of semi-bluffing here.

fletchdad said:

OK, say I flat, the fish folds and an 8d turns. V checks,

I cant check behind here. So what bet size is correct? Lets say I go 1/2 pot $1.50 and V snap c/r to $4,50.

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you can check behind here, why can't you?

on riv, if he bets I fold, if he checks I check because it is way too dangerous.

problem is he checks sometimes here with the best hand so someone like you will think that they can't check behind and feel the need to represent.

when you bet you have to bet for value of as a bluff, in this case I can not believe you want to turn a decent hand in to a bluff, because I doubt you can get him to fold a set or a small flush or a straight.