$10 NLHE 6-max: KK vs. good TAG

jbbb

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Not really questioning the fold, just is my line ok and does my reasoning for betting flop + turn make sense also?
My read is this play is a good TAG playing 34/30 3b:11 and is running over the table. However I believe players with stacks like this are able to make big value bets and thats how they get paid off.

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (CO) ($13.09)
Button ($3.20)
SB ($11.68)
BB ($11.95)
UTG ($8.35)
MP ($23.08)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K
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, K
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1 fold, MP bets $0.30, Hero raises to $0.90, 3 folds, MP calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.95) 8
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, 9
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, J
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(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $1.40, MP calls $1.40
Here I thought there was a good chance he called with a FD, set or two pair, straight draw or was just floating w/ AQ or something
Turn: ($4.75) 3
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(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $2.50, MP calls $2.50
Nothing hit so i'm still behind to sets and two pair, however if I thought I had enough equity on the flop to bet this blank means I have to bet again.
River: ($9.75) 2
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(2 players)
MP bets $4.64, Hero folds
Flush came in, couldn't think of much I beat here. easy fold.
Total pot: $9.75 | Rake: $0.47
 
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you're getting over 3:1 here so you have to be good 25% of the time, i don't know if its such an easy fold because he looks very aggressive. What was his AF?

I dont know the right decision folding would definitely be fine if you think more than 75% of the time he has your pair beat here. I usually call if he's aggro though, but im a bit of a calling station in spots like this :/ I can definitely see hands like AJ wanting a cheap showdown so betting out to get one, or him just taking advantage of a scare card, guess it depends on how aggro he is.

I would bet more on the turn though, maybe like $3.50-$4.00
 
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Call the river and make a note.

He could have a ten and be bluffing a missed straight draw.

He could have AJ and be block betting.

He could a missed turn FD (floating a scary board with the intention of raising the turn .. but then calls as he picks up a FD)

He could have QQ and be block betting

Bet the turn bigger and cal this sized river bet then make notes.

You get to find out if he raises / calls his draws on the flop and or turn. You get to see if he randomly calls intending to bluff the turn.

You also get to note what he calls 3bets OOP with AK QQ JJ KQs etc arent all that interesting but 67s? Calls for a GS on the flop, picks up a FD or even calls twice with a GS and then bluffs river?

Maybe he has AA but then you can note that and play 3bet pots better with him.

There are enough missed draws and second best hands to call this river bet with.

Also note that he either bluffs rivers cheap or value bets rivers small. If you see him do this with AKs for the nut flush then his big river bets are more likely to be bluffs than small ones.

Maybe he slowplays a straight here, again note that he slow plays a straight on a FD board and then thin value bets it on the river when the flush comes in.

You say he is aggressive but he is calling down with a draw (if he has the FD) he is also likely calling a 3bet OOP with a weak hand. Those things arent all that aggressive.
 
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Also he isnt a TAG, he is a LAG or a SLAG
 
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you're getting over 3:1 here so you have to be good 25% of the time, i don't know if its such an easy fold because he looks very aggressive. What was his AF?

I dont know the right decision folding would definitely be fine if you think more than 75% of the time he has your pair beat here. I usually call if he's aggro though, but im a bit of a calling station in spots like this :/ I can definitely see hands like AJ wanting a cheap showdown so betting out to get one, or him just taking advantage of a scare card, guess it depends on how aggro he is.

I would bet more on the turn though, maybe like $3.50-$4.00

Call the river and make a note.
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You say he is aggressive but he is calling down with a draw (if he has the FD) he is also likely calling a 3bet OOP with a weak hand. Those things arent all that aggressive.
Thanks SU for the insightful post. About the block betting you and Acky alluded to, I think a block bet might be smaller like $3. It seemed quite 'value betty' as apposed to a blocker bet. But yeah I suppose i'm ahead of some of his range, namely queens (although might be 4b pre).
But the points about calling to see how he plays a large variety of hands makes a lot of sense, especially when we could be ahead sometimes too.
 
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Google it (google images, preferably :) )

But I think it means Slightly Loose Agg.

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It means slightly loose agro, which means, that he may be tight in EP (like a TAG) but much wider from CO onwards (like a LAG)
 
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Not sure how I'd want to play this hand on this board but is anyone in favor of 3-betting larger given that effective stacks are 130 BBs?
 
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I agree a call is justified, given pot odds... AJo is certainly in range for a 3X raise PF in 6 max, he may just be holding Jacks and shoving the scare river to fold 2 pr or overpairs (which he did)...
 
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