$10 NLHE 6-max: KK OOP in 4-bet pot, best line on the flop?

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I had about 65 hands on villain accumulated from other tables. I had seen him 3bet two times before, both against me I believe. At this point I am ready to believe he's doing it pretty light, so I don't want to just jam preflop because there are things in his range he might call a smaller bet with but not an AI.

He's also a fairly (very) aggro/spew-y player postflop.

The bet-size I chose for my 4bet is pretty awful really, but that's a different point entirely.

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Hero (UTG): $10.94
MP: $10.00
CO: $5.52
BTN: $13.20
SB: $24.55
BB: $10.27

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with K
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Hero raises to $0.40, MP raises to $1.20, 4 folds, Hero raises to $2.75, MP calls $1.55

Flop: ($5.65) A
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(2 players)
Hero ???


Thoughts?
 
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He's pretty unlikely to be 3betting an UTG open very lightly here that said I either like jamming preflop or 4betting even smaller than you did to say $2.50.

Flop sucks. You have no great options.
 
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He's pretty unlikely to be 3betting an UTG open very lightly here that said I either like jamming preflop or 4betting even smaller than you did to say $2.50.

Flop sucks. You have no great options.
Yeah, 4bet size needed a bit more forethought. I didn't want to jam because, as said above, I figured his range to have a good amount of relatively weak holdings that wouldn't call a shove but might call a non-shove.

re: flop sucks. It's not great but I think KK still has a ton of value on the flop. I'm just curious if leading or checking to induce will work better.

i usually b/f here

I think that winds up being a really bad line here. After just about any bet I make I'd have to fold getting around 4:1 on my money. If Villain is willing to shove over my cbet with AA/AK/AQ and JJ it's a poor fold as I have ~25% equity.
 
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Try to get the money in preflop, and avoid this kind of decision.
Now that you're in the spot anyway, b/f or c/f, whichever you like better...
Given the preflop action, if you get any action to your cbet on this flop he either has you beat (A or set) or he's a complete spewtard (but if you don't have a read to support this, he's probably not). There's also a small chance he's on a draw, but that's marginal compared to him having you beat at this point.
So my choice in tis spot would be cbet, fold to a raise and if called check/fold turn/river.
 
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I c/c 1 street unless they shove here and then give up.
 
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I find myself in this spot a lot lately, I guess both c/c to see what happens on turn and cbet/fold sounds reasonable.

however I prefer cbet here, take the initiative, because in position he might bluff us some times without an A if we check to him. and just because there is an A on board does not mean we can't have an A ourselves so I agree with betting.
 
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Bet fold 1/2 pot. He's unlikely to turn any pocket pairs into a bluff when you bet because he has showdown value so you can happily fold if he shoves or shows aggression on later streets.
 
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I find myself in this spot a lot lately, I guess both c/c to see what happens on turn and cbet/fold sounds reasonable.

however I prefer cbet here, take the initiative, because in position he might bluff us some times without an A if we check to him. and just because there is an A on board does not mean we can't have an A ourselves so I agree with betting.
Isn't that exactly what we want? If checking will induce villain to bluff with hands not Ax then we gain value by x/c or x/r, don't we?

Alternatively: do we expect such a villain to peel with JJ/TT if I lead? If so...what kind of line am I taking on the turn? Shove?
 
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Depends how often you think he'll bluff two streets with JJ/QQ. If he fires a c-bet then shuts down the best line is to c/c flop and c/f later streets.

We don't expect them to bet turn or river with JJ/TT if they do call flop so we check it down
 
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I wouldn't be happy folding after putting any more money into this pot. I would like to say CRAI but I really think that is still shit. He may bluff with TT-QQ but he is never calling a shove or giving us another street with it.

Honestly I don't think we will be winning much in this spot and if we put more money in the pot we are pretty much committed so I would probably just try to cut losses and check/fold.
 
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