€10 NLHE 6-max: KK in trouble, deep stacks

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 29/18/3

688 hands on villain. Hard to put him on a range, caught him calling a raise with 53o before, and in the blinds to top it off! His raising range UTG is 26%, while he only raises 20% in late position. Classic. 59% fold to 3-bets.

I do believe there are some bluffs in his min-raise post flop (he raises flop 14%) but can I believe he bluffs/semi-bluffs enough on the turn to call, or should I just let it go.

Any other way to play it until now?

Hero (SB): €22.82
BB: €10.18
UTG: €24.75
CO: €10.40
BTN: €11.00

Hero posts SB €0.05, BB posts BB €0.10

Pre Flop: (€0.15) Hero has K:diamond: K:club:

UTG raises to €0.40, fold, fold, Hero raises to €1.40, fold, UTG calls €1.00

Flop: (€2.90, 2 players) 2:heart: 7:heart: 8:heart:
Hero bets €2.20, UTG raises to €4.40, Hero calls €2.20

Turn: (€11.70, 2 players) 5:diamond:
Hero checks, UTG bets €11.70, ????

Bigger pf.

How do you think he plays 99-QQ here? AhQx?

What's your reasoning behind calling the raise on the flop? Do you think he checks down a lot after you call?

ChuckTs said:

Bigger pf.

How do you think he plays 99-QQ here? AhQx?

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I did 3.5x, you think that's too small? I don't want to scare off ppl with a huge 3bet either. About 99-QQ, AhQx I called thinking they can very well raise the cbet, but not double barrel. Especiall not pot sized

Pascal LeFiscal said:

What's your reasoning behind calling the raise on the flop? Do you think he checks down a lot after you call?

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Well my reasoning was in the OP, I do think there are some bluffs/draws in that min-raise, but they don't usually double barrel. His sizing was very strong on the turn as well

Make it 4-4.5x, if they are calling 3.5x they are calling 4.5x.

Why don't they usually double barrel? The problem with peeling flop is your range is now polarized to weak hands and the flopped effective nuts, and I think even fish will realise this.

Plus if he's got a draw, you are ahead, and want to get the money in now.

Pascal LeFiscal said:

Make it 4-4.5x, if they are calling 3.5x they are calling 4.5x.

Why don't they usually double barrel? The problem with peeling flop is your range is now polarized to weak hands and the flopped effective nuts, and I think even fish will realise this.

Plus if he's got a draw, you are ahead, and want to get the money in now.

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Don't usually double barrel air/draws I guess. Of course some will. So you're saying 3bet flop...maybe, I can get called by draws etc. alot.

ComplexPlaya said:

Don't usually double barrel air/draws I guess.

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Did you answer the question I asked you by just repeating the question?

If you can't put him on a range, then I would think this board might be a lil scary, especially w/ him being so aggro on it. His stats prob put you on a very narrow pre-flop 3-bet range, if so, he knows what you have.

The turn card didn't help any being it put a str8 possibility out there as well. Hard to ship it in on the turn here w/ that board.

Hmmm, I don't recall being is this type of situational hand during a cash game but if I was, I fold here. There are LOTS of great boards to get it in w/ pkt kings but this isn't 1 of em IMO.

Pascal LeFiscal said:

Did you answer the question I asked you by just repeating the question?

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Well I don't know if there is an answer to give. It's just the way most regs play poker in the micros, not double barreling air when they're not the aggressors pre-flop, or do you think that's wrong?

It's like asking why do some people call their stacks off with medium pair, bad kicker. Just because they do

Most regs don't bluff full stop. But when you call flop and then check to him, he'll put you on a heart a lot of the time IMO.

Pascal LeFiscal said:

Most regs don't bluff full stop. But when you call flop and then check to him, he'll put you on a heart a lot of the time IMO.

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But what choice do I realistically have? Stacking off 230 bbs on this board doesn't look profitable at all vs this guy. If I 3-bet the flop I can't fold to a shove and have no idea where I'm at if he just calls.

Just calling the raise then checking turn looks weak indeed but what choice do I have...folding is weaker imo. And 99-QQ is a small part of his range, not to mention if one of those is a heart he's not in bad shape with them at all.

ComplexPlaya said:

But what choice do I realistically have? Stacking off 230 bbs on this board doesn't look profitable at all vs this guy. If I 3-bet the flop I can't fold to a shove and have no idea where I'm at if he just calls.

Just calling the raise then checking turn looks weak indeed but what choice do I have...folding is weaker imo. And 99-QQ is a small part of his range, not to mention if one of those is a heart he's not in bad shape with them at all.

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Why not fold on the flop? Seems the option that brings u more profit...

Fold the flop? Never!

ComplexPlaya said:

About 99-QQ, AhQx I called thinking they can very well raise the cbet, but not double barrel. Especiall not pot sized

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Really? Even with an AF of 3 and in position?

I agree with you that many times people would raise a mediocre holding on the flop in position (especially when holding a heart) then slow down on the turn, but it seems to me that you can 100% expect this guy to keep his foot on the gas. As such, it looks like the decision to play for stacks is on the flop, not the turn.

I'm 3-betting the flop, and probably sizing it such that I can shove a non-heart turn if he calls.

REI53 said:

Why not fold on the flop? Seems the option that brings u more profit...

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Because it could be just a one-stab at stealing it right there, then he gives up even in position. Alot of people do that.

Sysvr4 said:

Really? Even with an AF of 3 and in position?

I agree with you that many times people would raise a mediocre holding on the flop in position (especially when holding a heart) then slow down on the turn, but it seems to me that you can 100% expect this guy to keep his foot on the gas. As such, it looks like the decision to play for stacks is on the flop, not the turn.

I'm 3-betting the flop, and probably sizing it such that I can shove a non-heart turn if he calls.

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My problem with 3-betting was I didn't want to get shoved over. What do you do if you get shoved over, I don't think it's a call. I don't think he would shove for over 200bbs with something like T9, or Ahx (maybe Ah8 or Ah7 thinking he still has those outs). My only problem is if he does have a monster and just calls I'll be value-towning myself next street (save a heart comes)

I do like your thinking though, do you think 3bet/fold is the best option? What about me calling his raise and betting 1/2 the pot on the turn as a deterrent ?