$10 NLHE 6-max: KK hitting trips on turn vs scary board, still value bet river?

Zoom, no reads.

Flop raise could mean made straight or a draw. Therefore I figured I would re-raise/fold. His flop call made me doubt he had a made straight.

Turn K obv crushes his potential 2-pair hands, but doubt he would play 45s like that oop anyway. Clear bet for value.

Surprised by his call, as a raise would have signalled 6x. But calling?

Betting river only gets called by better, right? Any ace has me beat, as does a 6. Everything else would fold. I figured checking behind was the best option.

Table Information
Seat: 1 Player 1 ($23.73) Dealer
Seat: 2 Player 2 ($8.47) Small Blind
Seat: 3 Player 3 ($37.98) Big Blind
Seat: 4 Player 4 ($18.25)
Seat: 5 Hero ($16.87)
Seat: 6 Player 6 ($12.7)

Dealt to Hero


Preflop (Pot:0.15)
Player 4 FOLD
Hero RAISE $0.3
Player 6 FOLD
Player 1 FOLD
Player 2 FOLD
Player 3 CALL $0.2

Flop(Pot: $0.65)

Player 3 CHECK
Hero BET $0.4
Player 3 RAISE $0.9
Hero RAISE $3
Player 3 CALL $2.1

Turn(Pot: $7.05)

Player 3 CHECK
Hero BET $4.2
Player 3 CALL $4.2

River(Pot: $15.45)

Player 3 CHECK
Hero CHECK

Flop 3bet was unnecessary and silly. We're ahead of draws (which primarily consist of Ax, 87 and 86) and there's just two made straights there. 3betting reps the nuts and this deep it doesn't actually do much to protect us from getting outdrawn, so just flat and keep the bluffs/semibluffs (along with 2p hands we have outs against) in. Take your showdown value.

Other than that, not much to complain about. Betting turn to get value out of sets and 2p is smart, and so is checking behind river to protect ourselves from random rivered straights.

Aleksei said:

Flop 3bet was unnecessary and silly. We're ahead of draws (which primarily consist of Ax, 87 and 86) and there's just two made straights there. 3betting reps the nuts and this deep it doesn't actually do much to protect us from getting outdrawn

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But why is a flop 3-bet/fold a bad strategy? Basically pricing him out of draws and at the sametime gives me an easy laydown if he 4-bets.

The only thing I accomplish when flatting his flop raise is getting another card, something I don't want to see.

The only risk I see is a slowplayed made straight (when he flats flop 3-bet).

Beasty2k said:

But why is a flop 3-bet/fold a bad strategy?

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Because he's gonna miss his draw the majority of the time (if he even has one), and he's folding out all his air so that a frighteningly high % of the time when he flats you're behind and he wants you to hang yourself in a further street.

Flop 3bets rep the nuts. It's bad form to 3bet flop with a pair in general, even in a dry board; barring super crazy aggro dynamic (which did not exist here as this was Zoom and you and Villain had NO dynamic).

Beasty2k said:

But why is a flop 3-bet/fold a bad strategy? Basically pricing him out of draws and at the sametime gives me an easy laydown if he 4-bets.

The only thing I accomplish when flatting his flop raise is getting another card, something I don't want to see.

The only risk I see is a slowplayed made straight (when he flats flop 3-bet).

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1- If he shoves a draw you have to fold.
2- Folds out worse hands raising that aren't stacking off.
3- You can find a fold with most hands anyway on later streets.
4- He can still call your raise with 2 pairs etc if he's bad and you value own yourself later.

Thanks to both of you, that makes sense. I am still struggling a bit with flop aggression and trying to balance it.

Also you didn't hit trips, you hit a set. Totally different dynamics.

Aleksei said:

Also you didn't hit trips, you hit a set. Totally different dynamics.

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I thought set was only on flop, that's why wording was wrong. Thanks.

The fact that he cold called a 4bet on the flop suggests strongly that he either flopped a straight or is drawing to one (he could've 3bet on the flop with a draw just wanting to pick up the pot right there). Turning a set only gave you a couple of more outs if he did flop a straight, so I think checking back on the turn would've been better then betting, you are risking getting check raised which means you will have to fold. The river puts a 4 card straight out there which just killed you completely, many potential hands he could've had got there and so on.