$10 NLHE 6-max: KJs: flop two pair against aggro villain, c/r river?

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Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker Hand Converter from PokerConverter.com

saw flop

UTG ($5.68)
MP ($7.10)
CO ($5.87)
Button ($5.79)
SB ($5.10)
Hero (BB) ($5)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J
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, K
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2 folds, CO bets $0.15, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.32) K
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, J
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, 10
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(2 players)
Hero bets $0.20, CO calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.72) 2
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(2 players)
Hero bets $0.55, CO calls $0.55

River: ($1.82) 3
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(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.20, Hero


over 50 hands villain is a 38/22/60afq. Ok so I donk the flop feeling that this hits his range and he'll def call or raise me with worse. Turn i still bet because i feel i'm ahead still. River should I CRAI or just call? Obviously there's a possibility he has AQ but he could also be calling with KQ/JT/KT/AK/ etc.
 
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check call flop,check raise turn if didn't fold, bet river.
 
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ch/r flop, call if he shoves (hate donking the flop). Like you said he has tons of pair+draw hands and he'll almost always bet/call with all of them. As played on the river I like crai for a couple of reasons 1) AQ/sets will almost always raise the flop or turn 2) your line looks so full of shit donking twice and then ch/raising the river that he'll certainly be calling with worse.
 
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Erm like WV said if he's so aggro why not c/r the flop and keep going from there? There is lots of stuff to call you that you crush, and you can get stacks in this way, you can't by donking.

I disagree with c/r river fwiw, WV is right he will call you with KQ etc. BUT I don't think he bets KQ or any 1 pair hands, because you've shown much aggression he'll be happy to get a cheap showdown. Even if you had just c/c both streets, in my experience these types don't triple barrel marginal hands IP, so even less likely with the donky bets

He may bluff his air that got to the river but you can see there's no point in raising those.
 
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Erm like WV said if he's so aggro why not c/r the flop and keep going from there? There is lots of stuff to call you that you crush, and you can get stacks in this way, you can't by donking.

I disagree with c/r river fwiw, WV is right he will call you with KQ etc. BUT I don't think he bets KQ or any 1 pair hands, because you've shown much aggression he'll be happy to get a cheap showdown. Even if you had just c/c both streets, in my experience these types don't triple barrel marginal hands IP, so even less likely with the donky bets

He may bluff his air that got to the river but you can see there's no point in raising those.

Really you don't think he vbets KQ on the river the way this hand played out? I almost certainly would. Now whether he bet/calls it or not is a different question (I think he does at least some of the time). Any chance he gets to the river this way with AK? JT? KT? I honestly can't see any hand he plays this way that beats us. I guess it could be AQ but I can't understand just calling 2 donk bets with a hand that strong.
 
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Really you don't think he vbets KQ on the river the way this hand played out? I almost certainly would. Now whether he bet/calls it or not is a different question (I think he does at least some of the time). Any chance he gets to the river this way with AK? JT? KT? I honestly can't see any hand he plays this way that beats us. I guess it could be AQ but I can't understand just calling 2 donk bets with a hand that strong.

Why is he not raising AK, KQ on flop or turn? I can see Q9/AQ flatting because he wants Hero to valuetown himself and is not scared of anything. I can't be sure but I just think he will check behind a lot with 1 pair hands. Obv KT/JT bet but meh do we really want to raise just for them ? Do you think he would bet the river with AJ/QJ/QT type hands here, I doubt it

I'm not exactly that sure just the feeling I get from dealing with the big aggro players daily, lots of them like to slow down when they actually have a hand
 
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I think there's a reasonable possibility you get to play for stacks (good) if you just c/r the flop. The thing about aggro villains is they hate to be out-aggroed, especially in a blind defense pot. They know you'll c/r light (or at least I will), so if he top pair, any draw, etc you're gonna get action.
 
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Really you don't think he vbets KQ on the river the way this hand played out?

Yes, 100%. Battle against a defending blind, I know he's calling light thanks to an aggro image and other meta game factors.
 
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What kind of range do you think a lag opens the button with?

How do you think this range reacts when checked to on the flop? When donked into?

Villain's button range is huge and has tons of hands that don't hit the flop. We want to let them cbet, otherwise they just fold to our donk.

And yeah, I just c/r and look to get stacks in.
 
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I think he value bets just about every king combination on this river. AK,KJ,KT,KQ and so on. And as played, you've shown weakness checking the river, so he's going to bet just about everything in his range.
 
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