$10 NLHE 6-max: $ : kings fold on river donk

Hand Information
No Limit, 0.1 BB (6 handed).
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Table Information
Seat: 1 Hero ($8.71) Dealer
Seat: 2 napoleono ($20.03) Small Blind
Seat: 4 dalixl ($26.41) Big Blind
Seat: 6 mymandann ($13.46)
Seat: 7 winnetou888 ($18.41)
Seat: 9 peterdejong ($11.9)
Dealt to Hero
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Preflop (Pot:0.15)
mymandann****FOLD
winnetou888****FOLD
peterdejong****FOLD
Hero****RAISE $0.26
napoleono****CALL $0.21
dalixl****CALL $0.16

Flop(Pot: $0.78)
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napoleono****CHECK
dalixl****CHECK
Hero****BET $0.39
napoleono****CALL $0.39
dalixl****FOLD

Turn(Pot: $1.56)
* * * *

napoleono****CHECK
Hero****BET $0.78
napoleono****CALL $0.78

River(Pot: $3.12)
* * * * *

napoleono****BET $1.36
Hero****FOLD
Showdown:
napoleono MUCKS

napoleono**wins the pot: $4.48



Looking back at this hand, I feel an idiot for folding. But I just felt when villain donks river in spot, with a smallish valuey looking bet, he just has to have it right? Would never bluff in this spot with Qx, or missed club draw, esp given bet sizing. I put him on hands like A2 (suited?), 55, 6c7c. Hard to put on 4x, given no raise on turn. Any help much appreciated

+ do you just have to take a mathematical line, and say villain's bet gives me odds of 4/1 on a call, meaning he only needs to be bluffing >20% of time for my call to be profitable?

I'm not even really sure what to say here. Really the issue here is whether you should be raising or calling. I think raising is pretty clearly higher EV than calling. It might depend on reads/opponent though.

You do realize he could think he's VBing right? Add in whiffed flush draws and?

John A said:

I'm not even really sure what to say here. Really the issue here is whether you should be raising or calling. I think raising is pretty clearly higher EV than calling. It might depend on reads/opponent though.

You do realize he could think he's VBing right? Add in whiffed flush draws and?

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Thanks for your reply!

I see your point, are you saying that we don't call because we could potentially loose values from hands like Qx? At the same time, I feel that is the only hand that villain could have that we have beat which is potentially calling a raise.

Qx is a large part of his range though once he calls 2 streets. He may also call with some mid pairs, and if he folds them... that's ok. On the river, you are way ahead of his range, so you want to get max value versus that range.

Some other things. They look like loose players. I would advice 2 things.
Leave table if it is a loose player exactely on your left.
Second. If you did managed to get KK and there are bad players on your left than raise bigger preflop. 4BB. If they wanna call than at least pay for it.
Third.. What is with those small size raizes postflop? You wanted to keep them in the pot so they could chase their draws? Raise harder.

John A said:

Qx is a large part of his range though once he calls 2 streets. He may also call with some mid pairs, and if he folds them... that's ok. On the river, you are way ahead of his range, so you want to get max value versus that range.

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Thanks John, makes sense!

swingro said:

Some other things. They look like loose players. I would advice 2 things.
Leave table if it is a loose player exactely on your left.
Second. If you did managed to get KK and there are bad players on your left than raise bigger preflop. 4BB. If they wanna call than at least pay for it.
Third.. What is with those small size raizes postflop? You wanted to keep them in the pot so they could chase their draws? Raise harder.

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It's 888 SNAP, so tables aren't fixed hehe.

Agree with your third point!

benshouse99 said:

I put him on hands like A2 (suited?), 55, 6c7c.

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What's his entire range? Don't just look for boogeymen under the bed to justify folding. Yes, he will have these holdings sometimes. But how often? And how often compared to other possible holdings that you beat?

For instance, take A2. Some people would fold pre-, which decreases the probability it's in the caller's range. Then, some people who would call pre- would fold when you c-bet, and some who'd call the flop would then fold when you barrel the turn. So, by the time you get to the river, How many opponents would still be in the hand with A2?

Some yes, but how likely is it that this opponent has it on this hand? Is it more likely, for instance, that he has A2 or something like AQ or KQ?

I would raise more preflop, minimum 3xbb. What is your normal raise? Punish fishes for loose calls.

Same deal on flop and turn. Raise at least 3/4 pot! Decent chance one of the turkeys has a Q or a flush draw.

If you're gonna let the villain stay in cheaply on a drawy board with no ace and then just fold to tiny river raise, you might as well just toss away your KK preflop...

Be happy it's such a tiny river raise. Getting great odds to call. Even if he has a flush it's not a terrible call. You're calling only 1.36 to win 4.48.