$10 NLHE 6-max: K9o bvb in position, when to get agressive?

bgomez89

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poker stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1128526
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CO: $16.65
BTN: $10.00
SB: $10.05
Hero (BB): $12.28
UTG: $19.30
MP: $11.40

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with K
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9
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4 folds, SB raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60) K
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8
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5
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(2 players)
SB bets $0.35, Hero calls $0.35

Turn: ($1.30) 6
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SB bets $0.85, Hero calls $0.85

River: ($3.00) 9
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SB bets $2.25, hero???

over 110 hands villain is a 20/17/63. So on the flop i call his bet because it could just because even though i've heard that TP is usually good, he still could have a better king. I was also thinking if a spade hit the turn I could turn my hand into a bluff and try to get better kings(if he has one) to fold. I could've raised here but i don't know if he'll call me with worse, i think FDs would fold.

On the turn he fires again so I just call now that I picked up a gutshot and still have TP, also i could still bluff the river if a spade hits.

On the river i hit two pair, problem is there's a 4 card straight and his bet looks like it's for value.

When should I have gotten aggressive in this hand?
 
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I'd have got aggressive pre and 3 bet that junk.
 
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I think we call here, I don't know how many 7's are in opponents range raising preflop, maybe 77, A7 67,78 but thats about it and all we need to worry about. With almost 2:1 to call I think we are good enough to call, he could have a better king, but not 2-paired, like KT, KJ, could also have 89,A8 or a flush draw or complete air firing 3 barrels. I call.
 
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Also fwiw I like raising either the flop or turn as both are draw heavy and we have a vulnerable hand.
 
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i would have reraised on flop.
 
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I don't think he calls/ raises a raise with worse forsakenone
 
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I play it the same and call the river, obviously. Theres no value in raising this anywhere against a 63 afq in a blind battle, IMO, and your opponent won't have the specific draw necessary to beat you often enough to make up for a) when you are wrong and get reraised b) when he folds an underpair and you lose value.
 
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Call down is fine. Did you consider 3betting pre?
 
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i did consider it but I wasn't sure if it was a good move or not. i often find myself just calling with marginal cards with regs raise my BB and will 3bet with things like suited aces, some PP, big(ger) kings etc. I don't really know how to play bvb very well
 
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Unless villain is very weak tight i.e. cbets flop c/f when he misses don't see much point in flatting this pre, just ask yourself which hands will pay you off enough times to make calling profitable and on which boards.

As played it's an easy call since he may be valuebetting KQ/AK and has a hard time putting you on a 7, or he might just go along bluffing with the board getting scary
 
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bgomez89 said:
I don't think he calls/ raises a raise with worse forsakenone
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right, so what if he doesn't call with worse? do we just give him the chance to catch up on turn or river? ok so we don't raise here, and what do you do when you call this bet on river and he shows you A7, do you start crying? you could have taken it down on the flop, but no, you didn't raise.

just raise flop and take the small pot down, rather than playing passive like you did and lose because he catches up. your hand is good, but not great, there are so many cards that can come and beat your hand, why take the chance and see turn and river when you can end it here.

and btw, if he doesn't call/raise with worse, do you think he is betting 2 more streets with worse? because i think if he has worse than you do here and he misses he just checks, and you take down the same value you could have on the flop, but if he catches up you pay more when you could have won by now.

plus, if he has you beat he probably reraises on the flop, with lets say AK, and you get out, still losing less then you will by calling all the way to showdown.

i see close to no reason why you should just play it passive.
 
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forsakenone said:
right, so what if he doesn't call with worse? do we just give him the chance to catch up on turn or river? ok so we don't raise here, and what do you do when you call this bet on river and he shows you A7, do you start crying? you could have taken it down on the flop, but no, you didn't raise.

just raise flop and take the small pot down, rather than playing passive like you did and lose because he catches up. your hand is good, but not great, there are so many cards that can come and beat your hand, why take the chance and see turn and river when you can end it here.

and btw, if he doesn't call/raise with worse, do you think he is betting 2 more streets with worse? because i think if he has worse than you do here and he misses he just checks, and you take down the same value you could have on the flop, but if he catches up you pay more when you could have won by now.

plus, if he has you beat he probably reraises on the flop, with lets say AK, and you get out, still losing less then you will by calling all the way to showdown.

i see close to no reason why you should just play it passive.
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Just because raising the flop makes his hand easier to play doesn't mean it's the most profitable way to play the hand. We have position so why not use it? If we raise the flop villain usually just folds the crap that has very little chance of beating us anyway and we get no more money from an aggressive villain. That's a terrible result for us.
 
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