$10 NLHE 6-max: JJ vs 3-bet from laggy fish

Fold or ship-it?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

MP ($27.23)
Button ($3.50)
SB ($10)
BB ($18.11) - VPIP: 67, PFR: 37, 3B: 19, AF: 3.3, hands: 76
Hero (UTG) ($14.32)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J , J
Hero bets $0.30, 3 folds, BB raises $1.10, Hero raises $2.95, BB raises $6.35, Hero ?

Fold. Normally its probably bad to 4bet/fold with JJ here but since were deeper I dont think its that bad tbh. You have like zero FE in a 150bb pot. Plus I think that fact that hes 5betting a UTG open from the BB says something about his range imo.

Whats his 4bet+ stat?

Obviously you're totally right, his 4-bet stat was 0% I guess I'm going to have to pay more attention to the 4 bet stat now things seem to be heating up pre-flop in my new stakes. Let's hope I stay at them, I think if I drop to £240 I'm going to have to drop back down to NL5 and regain some confidence

Thanks for all your input mate!

Edit: His 5 bet stat was 19% (2 instances), still a fold. I need to chill out a bit a play more like I did in my previous stakes I think. Just seem to be getting 3 and 4 bet all over the place though!

tim132 said:

Obviously you're totally right, his 4-bet stat was 0% I guess I'm going to have to pay more attention to the 4 bet stat now things seem to be heating up pre-flop in my new stakes. Let's hope I stay at them, I think if I drop to £240 I'm going to have to drop back down to NL5 and regain some confidence

Thanks for all your input mate!

Edit: His 5 bet stat was 19% (2 instances), still a fold. I need to chill out a bit a play more like I did in my previous stakes I think. Just seem to be getting 3 and 4 bet all over the place though!

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Dont get me wrong he can bluff but I think in this situation hes not. We can be exact in a spot where we only have 76 hands on a player cause it takes well over 1000 hands to converge i think.

What kind of hands do you think hes 5betting here? Would you 4bet still if its only 100bbs deep? and if so, are you folding?

I think because youre deep, maybe you can flat JJ here because youre IP. I think 4betting makes us committed and allows him to fold all his bluffs and allows his stronger hands to 5bet.

Not folding JJ vs. this guy unless he folded to 3bets 100%, which I doubt.

baudib1 said:

Not folding JJ vs. this guy unless he folded to 3bets 100%, which I doubt.

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baudib, you calling or 4betting?

Easy 4-bet shove here IMO. Stacking JJ against this guy for 1.5 stacks is totally standard.

Interesting, probably not necessarily that bad then. I know I only had 76 hands against him but it felt like the right move at the time. Probably would have 4-bet shoved if I was only 100 BB deep

his 4 bet stat is zero because of the hand sample is only 76... Wouldn't flat his 5 bet raise either, hard to play J/J.