$10 NLHE 6-max: JJ on Q-high paired board oop in 3-bet pot, overplayed it? Line comment pls.

$10 NLHE 6-max: JJ on Q-high paired board oop in 3-bet pot, overplayed it? Line comment pls.

Zoom, no reads.

So I get 2 callers (I did think it was HU, but might have c-bet that board anyway).

My line of tought, any comments? I figured any AQ/KQ/QJ type hands would call one street but likely fold to further aggression. A set is unlikely (would have folded PF) but would likely raise flop for value.

He could easily put us on AK/AQ/QQ/KK/AA, maybe JJ/TT is in our range or a spivvy squeeze hand that he wanted to float.

The turn 6 is a pretty good card actually, he very rarely has a 6 here I think, and he unlikely thinks I would continue barrelling with AK here.

I felt a bit lost, I may well have the best hand but I feel like I am trying to push him out of the pot, basically turning my hand into a bluff.

What could I have done differently and why?

Table Information
Seat: 1 Player 1 ($10.1) Dealer
Seat: 2 Player 2 ($21.5) Small Blind
Seat: 3 Hero ($19.04) Big Blind
Seat: 4 Player 4 ($11.71)
Seat: 5 Player 5 ($4.39)
Seat: 6 Player 6 ($12.85)
Dealt to Hero


Preflop (Pot:0.15)
Player 4 RAISE $0.3
Player 5 FOLD
Player 6 FOLD
Player 1 CALL $0.3
Player 2 FOLD
Hero RAISE $1.3
Player 4 CALL $1
Player 1 CALL $1

Flop(Pot: $4.05)

Hero BET $2.9
Player 4 CALL $2.9
Player 1 FOLD

Turn(Pot: $9.85)

Hero BET $7.6

ugh, I hate Zoom.

Pair turns make TERRIBLE barrel cards. They change basically nothing, except that once in a while villain has trips. Just give up.

Aleksei said:

ugh, I hate Zoom.

Pair turns make TERRIBLE barrel cards. They change basically nothing, except that once in a while villain has trips. Just give up.

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I hear you, but it being a 3-bet pot makes a potential 6 in his range very unlikely, no?

Beasty2k said:

I hear you, but it being a 3-bet pot makes a potential 6 in his range very unlikely, no?

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the turn 6 still changes jack shit. If his hand could call flop it can call turn.

I think the turn changed nothing....I would be careful anyway with jj on q high board....sometimes we are good but mostly we are beat based on calling ranges and player types

Aleksei said:

the turn 6 still changes jack shit. If his hand could call flop it can call turn.

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True, but me continuing the aggression surely skewes my range to an overpair or top set in his perspecitve?

Put it this way, how would I have played KK on same board and same circumstances?

Beasty2k said:

True, but me continuing the aggression surely skewes my range to an overpair or top set in his perspecitve?

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Or air. The board is dry, so from his perspective he's either far ahead or far behind and if you're bluffy then he's safe calling down because your bluffs have no improvement equity. And when you rep the nuts or literal air, then air is always FAR more common.

Aleksei said:

Or air. The board is dry, so from his perspective he's either far ahead or far behind and if you're bluffy then he's safe calling down because your bluffs have no improvement equity. And when you rep the nuts or literal air, then air is always FAR more common.

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Thanks, point taken.

FWIW he gave me the "thumbs up" and folded.

Beasty2k said:

I hear you, but it being a 3-bet pot makes a potential 6 in his range very unlikely, no?

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Yes definitely, when u squeeze here versus 2 players, especially that big ,its highly unlikely anyone has a 6( A6s, 67 suited) etc. Even if they did call with suited middle connector, i hate their call on the flop unless you've been playing super spewy.


I dont think it's the 6 you should be worried about ,but the Q. People will be flatting your 3 bet with hands like AQs,KQs or off. So in general it's going to be hard to get him off of the Queen alot of the time. In general i dont think this play is horrible,assuming you think he will fold the Q, but the problem is when u bet 2.90 on the flop and he flats, that should be a signal that its maybe time to check the turn or maybe even give up. think of what he is flatting you here with right now. Hes flatting you with a set, with TPTK or with a 6( least possible scenario so i dont think you should be turning your hand into a bluff on the turn. I think a half sized bet is good and fold if he raises .

It looks like you are either super strong or super bluffy. When u bet that big on turn ,your just being spewy . I think if, your looking for a fold( which u probably are) , even a smaller bet would have the same effect.

But yes, you did play this like you had an overpair.