$10 NLHE 6-max: JJ in 3Bet Pot SB vs BB

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888 Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) FAST - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 14.8 BB (VPIP: 3.70, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 29)
Hero (SB): 160.4 BB
BB: 104.1 BB (VPIP: 16.22, PFR: 13.20, 3Bet Preflop: 5.71, Hands: 917)
UTG: 167.4 BB (VPIP: 28.08, PFR: 22.44, 3Bet Preflop: 9.79, Hands: 888)
MP: 151.4 BB (VPIP: 19.26, PFR: 15.56, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 633)
CO: 138 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 20.43, 3Bet Preflop: 6.82, Hands: 96)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J:spade: J:diamond:

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Flop: (18 BB, 2 players) 9:heart: K:spade: 6:diamond:
Hero checks, BB bets 10 BB, Hero calls 10 BB

Turn: (38 BB, 2 players) 2:diamond:
Hero checks, BB bets 20 BB, fold

BB wins 35.8 BB

Did I play this fine? Thank you! :)
 
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Blind vs blind, but your opponent is nitty.

Make him a tad looser and I'll happily 4-bet preflop, or call down postflop.
Vs a guy with his stats, the way you played it seems fine, imo.
 
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You have plenty of room to 4-bet and call off here. Some with a 5-6% three bet stat will be three betting around 9%, blind vs blind.
 
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Can you give me a clue how I should decide whether I should 4bet stack off/flatt his 3bet/fold to the 3bet given the stats? I really didn't know how to assess the situation properly and just played with my gut feeling. Thank you :)
 
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Here's the "Facing a 3-bet, can I 4-bet?" chart and the article it comes from. It's only good for 100 big blind stacks, and it's just the break-even point. So calling or 4-bet/folding could be a more profitable line.

3-bet percentage you need to be facing in order to 4-bet/call off
* KK+: Good against any range
* QQ: vs 3% or higher (3% is AK, JJ+, 40 combos total)
* JJ: vs 6.5% or higher
* TT: vs 8.5% or higher
* 99: vs 10.5% or higher
* 88: vs 12.5% or higher
* 77: vs 14% or higher
* AKs: vs 3% or higher (AK, JJ+, 40 combos total)
* AQs: vs 8% or higher
* AJs: vs 13% or higher
* AKo: vs 5% or higher (AK, JJ+, plus 22% bluffs)
* AQo: vs 9% or higher



https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11//?highlight=Vault
 
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Great! Thank you very much! :top:
 
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I don’t know how it works at 888, but fast poker NL5 pokerstars normal players have fixed 4bet ranges, also the 4bet and 5bet shove ranges are the same. That will be most AK (if we are blinds wars), all KK,AA.
 
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Yeah, I would say that this is also true for a lot of Poker888 regs (at least on the lower limits).
 
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I don’t know how it works at 888, but fast poker NL5 pokerstars normal players have fixed 4bet ranges, also the 4bet and 5bet shove ranges are the same. That will be most AK (if we are blinds wars), all KK,AA.

so good u can exploit that
 
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Here's the "Facing a 3-bet, can I 4-bet?" chart and the article it comes from. It's only good for 100 big blind stacks, and it's just the break-even point. So calling or 4-bet/folding could be a more profitable line.

3-bet percentage you need to be facing in order to 4-bet/call off
* KK+: Good against any range
* QQ: vs 3% or higher (3% is AK, JJ+, 40 combos total)
* JJ: vs 6.5% or higher
* TT: vs 8.5% or higher
* 99: vs 10.5% or higher
* 88: vs 12.5% or higher
* 77: vs 14% or higher
* AKs: vs 3% or higher (AK, JJ+, 40 combos total)
* AQs: vs 8% or higher
* AJs: vs 13% or higher
* AKo: vs 5% or higher (AK, JJ+, plus 22% bluffs)
* AQo: vs 9% or higher


https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11//?highlight=Vault

I liked the article, as it quantifies what I thought intuitively. The table implies there is an answer but it really just gives broad ranges. In Hero's case the table implies he should 4 bet the table. When dealing with JJ, I like to remember the 50/50 break range is AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, 99, AKs, AK, AQs, AQ, AJs, & KQs or about 5.5%. Its 45/55 if you take the TT and 99 out.

That said, do you want the variance of flipping against that range? If not you can fold. It's not good, but least bad.

As played, we see the line often taken, the not quite right middle road; calling hoping for a low flop. The problem is when we get the hoped for low flop we're still almost flipping at 55/45. When the K or Q comes, we're now a 40/60 dog. An A makes us a 20/80 dog.

Calling the flop is putting you money in bad.
 
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