$10 NLHE 6-max: jj call 3bet should I donk bet

BTN 3bet 10%, he can squeeze light, so I call, MP is a little loose.
I am OOP if I am IP I definitely will bet the flop. Here vs 2 players do you guys think it is worth donk bet. Because here I feel they totally controlled me if I do not act first.

Also should I 4bet preflop.

SB: $11.74 (117.4 bb)
BB: $10.10 (101 bb)
Hero (UTG): $24.40 (244 bb)
MP: $10.61 (106.1 bb)
CO: $10 (100 bb)
BTN: $17.89 (178.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Js Jh
Hero raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, CO folds, BTN raises to $1.20, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.90, MP calls $0.90

Flop: ($3.75) 7d 4c Qd (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($3.75) Ah (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, BTN bets $2, 2 folds

Results: $3.75 pot ($0.17 rake)
Final Board: 7d 4c Qd Ah
Hero mucked Js Jh and lost (-$1.20 net)
MP mucked and lost (-$1.20 net)
BTN mucked and won $3.58 ($2.38 net)

Give full stats for the BTN and MP. If we were alone with the BTN, I think it's an easy 4-bet. With a fish in the middle, I might be inclined to just call. JJ sucks OOP tho. Prolly just 4-bet all day here.

NH post flop. Stats play a role here, but I'd check this unless MP is really fishy. Board just ran out bad.

MP 27/20 wtsd 38 af 2.5
btn 25/19 wtsd24 AF 1.5

Yeah, MP isn't bad enough that we really care about keeping him in pots. Just 4-bet here.

4 bet/fold to shove

Folding to a shove is pretty dicey, but I suppose with BTN's stack size it's okay. For 100 bb's this is clearly a snap call. For 174 it's probably pretty still a call, I'd have to do some math doe and I'm pretty lazy.

After raise and re-raise I would fold JJ, and played with QQ, KK, AA and AK. Think that BTN had pocket pair TT-AA or AK, u did well when fold on turn.

c9h13no3 said:

Folding to a shove is pretty dicey, but I suppose with BTN's stack size it's okay. For 100 bb's this is clearly a snap call. For 174 it's probably pretty still a call, I'd have to do some math doe and I'm pretty lazy.

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What do you think villains 5 bet range vs UTG 4 bet is?

IPlay said:

What do you think villains 5 bet range vs UTG 4 bet is?

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Knowing a 5-bet range is pretty hard to do, since it happens pretty rarely.

Most of the time, you want to just 4-bet hands you plan to stack off with and bluffs. Once 4-bets go in, you're usually getting decent odds preflop when they shove, and folding is the easiest way to get exploited.

For 100 bb's, JJ is an auto-stack against a 10% 3-bet range. Their 5-betting range doesn't matter. For 175 bb's, you'd have to do a little math, but it still seems feasible to stack, since the break even point is a 6% 3-bet rate with 100 blinds.

Preflop.

Raise more preflop. At least 4 to 5bb, If you know our villains are going to call us anyway well make them pay. Playing 3b is just too small and could put us in awkward situations post flop.

Flop.

Now this is the time to think? IS our villain likely to float here with hands like AK or Axs type hands, could you put medium pocket pair in his range?

You have a few hands we beat here and we can't just think our villain has Q or AA KK ... We should be betting this pot for value here.

Turn
I think you should've called and weighed up ur options. only because you both checked the flop.