Originally Posted by Matthew Southall
The villain showed up with ATo here. I bet you would've folded AJ to his 4bet and allowed yourself to get bluffed off the best hand.
Just because villain showed up with ATo this time does not mean he will be showing up with hands like that all the time.
Folding AJ to his 4-bet is the correct play here so don't know why you are saying he would prob fold like it is incorrect.
In your opening post you say Villain is unknown.
So you have to ask yourself here what reason have I to believe this guy is 4-bet bluffing ?
How many hands do you have on villain ? Have you seen 3-bet/4-bet bluff before ? Do you believe villain 4-bets more as a bluff than for value ?
I understand that blind vs blind situations can get really aggro as you move up in stakes and people tend to forget more about making the correct play, let their ego get in the way and concentrate more on getting one over on villain.
You are not alone here mate, I have been there myself and have done stupid things desperately trying to win the pot and I am sure others have as well.
But the main thing in this thread what should answer your question for you is that Villain is unknown. So taking that fact in to matter it is really spewy to 5-bet shove KQ here.
I personally don't mind the 3-bet here, but anything but folding to the 4-bet here is the wrong play here imo until you get more history with villain and get a proper feel for how he plays.
Was this the first time you 3-bet him ? And the first time he 4-bet you ?